King of the Middle #3: What is 'Making It?' - Ministry Videos

00:10 Michael intro

01:25 Chris talks about “Doing what you want to do” and Augustine / Jesus’ answer in the Gospel of John / What is “making it?”

04:30 Michael shares story about a Christian band that “made it,” the temptations his friends in the band faced, and his past desire to be in a successful band

10:12 Our definition of “making it” / Dreaming about success

16:05 Michael expands on the Augustine quote and some of his experiences in a band

18:30 Michael’s anecdote about his jealousy of another Christian band

21:13 Michael mentions a friend who wants to “make it” and deliver a TED Talk someday

23:23 Chris tells a story about a situation he was in where some would say he “made it,” yet he saw himself as a failure / Chasing success is an endless, hollow pursuit

28:18 Michael’s early days as an actor / When has an actor “made it?”

30:13 Chris discusses the journey to success and excellence as an artist who leans on Christ

35:02 Michael and Chris discuss how to conduct oneself with integrity as a Christian artist (we discuss a couple of our audio fiction projects)

39:56 Chris turned down some opportunities on big shows after weighing God’s will against career success

42:12 The difficulty of being a hugely famous Christian in Hollywood

43:37 Mention of Justine Bateman’s book on the perils of fame (Fame: The Hijacking of Reality) / Chris ran into a famous acquaintance in a 99 Cents store

45:55 Keeping Michael’s successful musician friends in prayer

46:53 We discuss Go-Go’s member Jane Wiedlin’s recent comment about what she learned from failure

49:00 Wisdom regarding failure comes with age / our identity in the Father


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