What happens when God confronts the “two lives” we’re living—and calls us out of the background and into honest testimony?

In this episode of the Thinking Christian Podcast, Dr. James Spencer is joined by Nick Sash (a longtime friend and the host of the Foundational Fathers Podcast) to talk about Nick’s new book, Unmuted: From Silence to Testimony, and the story behind it. Nick shares how years of hiding, silence, and “keep your emotions in check” masculinity gave way to a defining moment: God’s ultimatum to stop living divided and start living surrendered.

Nick explains why so many Christians feel safest staying unseen and unheard—and why that “quiet” approach eventually harms us and the people we love. Together, James and Nick explore what it means to live an ordinary faith—not sugarcoated, not performative, not built on hype—just daily obedience rooted in God’s Word.

They also discuss the importance of preparation and humility, the role of Scripture in discipleship, and how the church can form believers who don’t just hear the Word—but actually do it.

In this episode, we cover:

• Nick’s testimony: from divided living to surrendered discipleship

• Why many men learn silence—and how God reshapes that story

• The message of Unmuted: moving from hiding to honest witness

• “Ordinary faith” vs. relevance-driven Christianity

• Why Scripture must shape the church more than trends or “bells and whistles”

• The Foundational Fathers Podcast vision (including taking the show on the road)

• What it looks like to share your story faithfully—one conversation at a time

Thinking Christian is hosted by Dr. James Spencer, president of the D. L. Moody Center and author of Digital Discernment (InterVarsity Press). Each conversation reads the Bible as the final authority for life and faith, questioning the assumptions of our culture, even our Christian culture, so that we don't settle for a narrower vision than God's word offers.

Unsettling convention. Cultivating conviction.
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