Therapy + Theology with Carley Marcouillier

Therapy + Theology with Carley Marcouillier

Carley Marcouillier

Seeking Joy in Hard, Disorienting Seasons with Dr. Lauren Gilbert

December 15, 2022   ●   39 min

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Today’s episode continues the seasons of the soul series and explores the theme of joy amid what Psalm 23 depicts as disorientation.

Joined by friend Dr. Lauren Gilbert, we discuss the complexity of holding space for divine joy in the reality of our soul’s darkest moments. Dr. Lauren shares from her research and her heart on the challenges that our faith faces in the reality of pain, loss, and longing. Looking at both psychology and theology, we discuss how disorientation is vital to our spiritual journey and that true joy, awareness of God’s grace, can be cultivated regardless of outcomes. Additionally, we engage in the practice of listening prayer to hold space for both grieve and grace to be acknowledged this holiday season.

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Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

- Listening Prayer Guide:

For Seasons of Disorientation:

- Journey of the Soul: A Practical Guide to Emotional and Spiritual Growth: by Bill Gaultiere and Kristi Gaultiere -

- To Be Told by Dan Allender:

- It's Not Supposed to Be This Way: Finding Unexpected Strength When Disappointments Leave You Shattered by Lysa Terkeurst -

Other Resources:

- Psalm 23:
- Walter Brueggemann: Praying the Psalms:


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