Talk About That

John Driver and Jonnie W

Thermostat Rules, Banned Scooters, and Childish Things

August 22, 2026 ● 46 min

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John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.

Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Carrot Cake: "We found a way to make vegetables 3,000 calories per serving.”

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A Prayer to Love Those Who Are Hard to Love - Your Daily Prayer - November 10

Loving others isn't always easy, especially when their words or actions leave us feeling hurt, frustrated, or misunderstood. But God calls us to extend the same patience, kindness, and grace He shows us every day.

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