John compares churches to soft drinks and reveals his wife’s growing (and dangerous) shoe problem. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his mind about seatbelt laws and tells us about the time the Pope (literally) demonized cats and helped spread the Plague. 

Plus, a conversation about love and risk, and why a guarded heart is like putting plastic covers on your sofa. 

Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by 1 out of 5 Dentists: “We don’t recommend anything.”

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