John meets a pizza delivering robot and wears house shoes to climb Everest. Meanwhile, Jonnie keeps his shoes on way too long and tells the story of the time Picasso was accused of stealing the Mona Lisa. 

Plus, a conversation about why fulfillment is so elusive and why it’s easier to be creative while at play than under pressure. 

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