John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian.

Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Gatorade: "When you want some fruit punch, but also a pound of salt."

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