Christianity.com: What is the job of a church elder? Why can't a woman be an elder?-Robert Greene

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  • 2012-10-01T22:19:18

Agreed. However, God has so stipulated His desired roles for man and woman. In Romans, the apostle Paul, who was taken to the third heaven, thoroughly described the the two warring laws that affect every one, regardless of their spirituality; including himself! If he confessed not having reached perfection, who can? Paul writes, "Who will save me from this wretched body?" Again, he states, "I do what I don't want to do and don't do what I want to do!" The presence of carnality is inevitable and quite different between men and women. If it did not exist, Jesus would not have troubled us with denying ourselves, picking up our cross daily, and following Him. Sanctification occurs because of the presence of our sinful nature. It is for this reason that we enter into our designed places of submission and authority, that we may establish our spiritual authority. It will either be God or the prince of this world.

  • 2012-10-01T21:53:01

In Christ there is no longer Jew or Gentile, Slave or free, male or female. ANd so it matters not what plumbing one has to serve a role in Christ's church

  • 2012-10-01T21:50:15

“All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up." (1 Corinthians 10:23) In rebellion to God, we can do whatever we want. But if you're truly a child of God, make sure you inform those nearby that you are doing it in defiance of the inspired word of God; unless that doesn't matter to you.

  • 2012-10-01T05:32:37

its interesting for all to go back and read what exactily the bible m when it states that elders are to men of one wife. in the church we may have men with more than one wife these doesnt quarify to be elders. elders should be men not women. remember jesus used men to champion the gospel ahead.2timothy 3;1-3.

  • 2012-10-01T01:24:39

Good grief! At least three quarters of our Session is women...which means they are elders....

  • 2012-10-01T01:05:19

Agreed Gord!

  • 2012-10-01T00:43:33

not only can a woman be an elder, a woman can be a pastor/minister and a Bishop or Moderator.

  • 2012-09-28T18:04:12

The man was tasked as being the head of the house and therefore being the one most responsible for guidance to others.

  • 2012-09-28T13:49:13

And I do believe Jesus did come to save everyone, whether or not they choose that free gift is another story, but He obviously would love to save everyone, that was the point.

  • 2012-09-28T13:47:24

SO JC how can we say elder is man only when in the very next verse it says he is a married man with kids? The church is picking and choosing what to believe there then. People say well that verse was directed at a certain person, or was meaning this. So how do we know "an elder must be a man" isnt also meaning something else. The demons believe in Jesus too, are they saved?

  • 2012-09-28T13:15:55

You are right in one respect that women were not thought of very worthy of much else than childbirth back then. But if you look at Jesus life, He had many women who hung around Him so culture has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. And again, Paul was unmarried and an Elder in his role of many churches. Yes his title was Apostle which carries with it the role of Elder. Timothy was Elder and as far as we know not married. In 1Cor.7 Paul talks about married people and attaches with the conversation the thought that he wishes every man were as he was so they could devote their full time to God, but because of immorality they should be married. So in one breath he is saying he wishes every man could be unmarried and an Elder or else be disqualified? No, he is giving the directive to be married so they won't sin, it has nothing to do with being an Elder. So, when you look at Scripture for an answer, you can not pick and choose what to believe depending on culture. Another point I would make, John 3:16 says 6 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Yet many in this culture believe that because Jesus came to save everybody, that everybody IS saved. We can not look to culture for the answers but to God and His Word alone. Everything in the Bible isn't literal but it's not that hard to discern what is and what is not if we look at the Bible as a whole rather than picking and choosing for our own purpose.

  • 2012-09-28T08:35:54

Jason Ellis - The most important aspect of understanding Scriptures is that the Holy Spirit alone is the interpreter of all Scripture and if we should stumble on some difficult passages, we should "...ask God for the wisdom, and He will give it without reproach." I have prayed and waited for years as God gradually unfolds, in His time, the answers I seek dealing with this difficult issue that seems to go against the grain of our modern society. There is plenty of supporting scripture in the New Testament that supports the Old Testament, regarding the positions of submission and authority for men and women. (1 Corinthians 11:1-16), (1Corinthians 14:34-36), (1 Timothy 2:9-15), (Titus 2:3-5), (1 Peter 3:1-6) Your comment, "...Timothy says woman are "saved through childbirth"..."; The word 'saved' is the Greek word 'sozo' which means to save, heal, preserve, rescue; wholeness. We know we are saved by grace through faith alone. This text is refering to the sanctifying work upon women wrought by raising their children. Similar to the passage admonishing us to "work out your own salvation", we're encouraged to press in to God, seeking Him for all things we may experience during our time of salvation here on Earth. In your comment, "...is God going to punish a "church" or a "board" for appointing a woman as an elder..."; to obey is better than sacrifice. This was God's issue with King Saul. It was Paul's issue with Annanias and Saphira. The issue is not competence. The issue is to become obedient to God's ordained positions of submission and authority upon the household and His church that we may establish the proper spiritual authority. Submission establishes authority. So does rebellion. The narrow way will always run counter to the masses; but then walking by faith always does.

  • 2012-09-28T06:37:02

Jason Ellis Jason Ellis : Female "elders" and female "pasters" could bring people to Christ, Jason. They just don't know they are not elders or pastors no matter what they themselves and others call them. Every Christian has spiritual authority as God's child, but giving the ultimate church leadership position to women is neither Biblical or effective. Recognizing the female church leadership practically weakens or even destroys the theology of the entire denomination, because female leaders typically despise the details of God's Word; massive harm than any good. The Church should fear God rather than women and stay away from practicing errors.

  • 2012-09-28T06:26:03

Jason Ellis : Female "elders" and female "pasters" could bring people to Christ, Jason. They just don't know they are not elders or pastors no matter what they themselves and others call them. Every Christian has spiritual authority as God's child, but giving the ultimate church leadership position to women is neither Biblical or effective. Recognizing the female church leadership practically and typically weakens or even destroys the theology of the entire denomination; a lot more harm than good. The Church should fear God rather than women and stay away from practicing errors.

  • 2012-09-28T06:18:15

Jason Ellis : I Timothy 2:15 calls women to keep propriety and be productive truly(spiritually), fulfilling the role with godliness and a sense of responsibility. From other Bible verses, we know actual physical childbearing brings no salvation to anyone and that it does not mean women are encouraged to bear children physically, as singlehood for the Lord is much more recommended elsewhere.

  • 2012-09-28T06:04:41

Jason Ellis : Titus 1:6 is IN THE CASE the man was married. Apostle John was an Elder of the church and was single. The writer of Titus(Apostle Paul) was single, to begin with. The position of the church elders remains with males alone, as it is God's creation design and order. In the text of the Holy Bible, the word "man" includes both men and women and sometimes only men. Taking accout of everything in the Bible determines the right meaning. For example, unlike the case of the church elders, in the phrase "man does not live on bread alone," the word "man" includes everyone - mankind. Other Bible verses clarify the meaning; the entire Holy Bible must be studied.

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