Christianity.com: What would you say to someone who claims, "I don't need to go to church to be a Christian?" by Mike McKinley

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  • 2012-10-01T22:26:34

Well..IF Yeshua had said it was ok to go to church on sunday I would certainly do it. However, He always went on the true Sabbath, said nothing would change., not one iota, man, (Constantine) changed the day of worship to sunday (pagan day of the sun) and man has always followed that. In Is: 66:23 YHWH says that when HE comes back to rule we ALL will go and worship Him on the Sabbath..so..to my way of thinking if it will be that way with YHWH than that will be the way it is for me.

  • 2012-09-07T03:19:30

It bothers ME, Marlene, because he appears to say that if you don't do church like institutional churches do it then you're doing it wrong. I think the cab driver WAS "having church". There is no commandment to formally commit to an organization that has a pastor as it's head. There are commandments like "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together" Heb 10:25. But it says nothing about whether that group should be the same group every time or how big the group should be (For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Mat 18:10); or that it should be headed by a pastor; or how often, for that matter. Most of what protestantism is comes out of the Roman Catholic Church via Martin Luther. Pews, pulpits, choirs, priests (pastor). I'm not saying you can't "do church" that way, just that it's not necessary. He sites Heb 13:7 which says "Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith." I can see that being a radio preacher (back to the cabbie here) and not someone you personally know. Although I'm sure the cabbie would be glad to be personally mentored by some he hears. Religion sure does mess up stuff.

  • 2012-08-11T21:41:16

Chaplin Joe, You have it right. I have gone to many different churches where the power and institution meant more than the people going there. It felt like "Players only love you when you are playing" meaning that as long as you are in the building, people will talk to you. Leave and you are forgotten. I just talked to my pastor about this and told him I will probably not attend church any longer because people in my pastor's words, "are just too busy" I pray my God does not say that to me when I have a need.

  • 2012-08-10T02:49:52

okay, why did this video bother me?

  • 2012-08-10T02:46:29

Oh yheah, churches love to count heads...

  • 2012-08-10T01:19:41

Churches today seem to be more legalistic this is true, but for learning beyond salvation; unless, this is all the church preaches on (which is most of them on Sunday mornings) finding a place of fellowship with people that do not judge you, people that are fun to be around, and participation in the programs will help spiritual growth. Some will go further and enter into a seminary which is better than going to church for the ones who seek God and feels a pulling to serve. There are many different ways to grow the best way is living with people of all sorts, not just churched people. Then again, fellowship without real Christians would only direct you into things you may not be able to overcome. You can try different places even at the University level. To be a believer means to follow the lead of your spirit (your heart); God wanted people in the first home based churches to come together, this is why they were called gatherings among the Jews as they were the first Christians, and there were not that many people then that followed. It took organization of the church even though it was Roman Catholic, yet, there were still fellowship groups like the ones you can find today called Cell Groups. Most of them are Non-denominational throughout the states in America. I personally find I am happy when I am in a church body that is not hypocritical and this is part of living faith. This is finding your place and growing in His grace.

  • 2012-08-09T20:43:49

I think we can all agree with you that we need a group however that is often very difficult in certain situations. First off many churches are not after relationship just bodies. Second many churches have trouble with differences and how to handle those redemptively. I am in a Spanish country where the only English churches seem to be black ones. They seem to not want white people kind of counter racist. So lets see how we can take those principles of being part of a group and make it work. I am all for it if I could find one.

  • 2012-08-09T19:53:31

Every believer has been given a spiritual gift by the Holy Spirit of God. The gift is for the building up of God's kingdom. It is a "joint" effort that requires all believers utilizing their gifts in unity within and outside of a local congregation. If you do not possess a gift to be used to glorify God and help in the building up of His kingdom, you are not a believer...and it is better if you just stay at home and stop pretending that you are. Maybe someone will come and lead you to Christ! All believers are becoming more and more like the Lord Jesus as they utilize their gifts together as the body of Christ...the Church. There is nothing in God's Word that promotes self-separation from the family of God by a believer. To do so is an act of desertion against the One who said that He will never leave or forsake His own. Believers NEED other believers for encouragement, accountability, "two or more" prayer and supplication, and fitting together as building blocks in the church of the Living God.

  • 2012-08-08T17:03:18

I have associated with people of this same mindset. What I ask them is, "just who are you believing?" "Who did you say you were following?" Then I explain to them that "the body of believers are the church." We gather together in a building for services. This really shocks them. Then I ask "how often are they in the word of God, do they have an understanding of what they are studying, and if they believe all that they do read from the Bible?" Some of them say yes to reading the Bible, but not always understanding and believing. There is always a "but" afterwards. Next I'll ask "how did they come to know God as their Lord and Savior?" Most of them say, "my parents went to church and took us," or "I have always been saved." Then I'll ask them "What made you saved?" Most don't understand. Beloved, satan sits readily in church, knows God's Word and still uses it for his benefit. We need to HEED GOD'S WORD OF HEBREWS 10:25. Fellowshipping with other believers is essential. There are many wonderful saints of God who love His Word and who would die defending it. That wheat is growing, my friend! We need to exhort one another. We need to study the Word of God together. God has something for a group that He will not give to any one individual. God won't let me grow in the knowledge of His Word unless I share it. Three "lets" I leave you with beloved: "Draw near in faith (toward God), Draw near in hope (for ourselves), Draw near in love (for others)". (JVM)

  • 2012-08-08T04:28:43

One should definitely go to a church to be a Christian unless he is sick in bed or imprisoned for faith. Being part of the Church means belonging to the Body of Christ. Loners wither away as leaves that depart from branches die off. Jesus Himself has established the Church, the Bible commands us to meet together, and the people of God always met together for worship and fellowship. The desire not-wanting to go to church and the attitude of not-loving the Church is from Satan and of the flesh.

  • 2012-08-07T19:43:02

We need you, or more correctly, we need your money in the church. You must pay tithes, even though the bible says you can not pay tithes because only the high priest can collect them, and their has been no high priest since the temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. But pay no attention to that old book we need new choir robes because the church down the street makes our people look shabby.It is all about appearance, you speak of Paul's letters to the church, have you really read them? He is warning about the apostasy coming into the church. The revolt toward the word of God, and the insertion of the word of man. Man's vision of God is some mad scientist who's experiment with His creation went wrong and He has lost control of them and has to gain that control back by threatening them with the idea of sending 99% of them to a place of torture and eternal punishment called "hell". I would love to see a preacher show me verse and scripture for just such a place. Oh that's right the church doesn't teach the word of God any more,"They teach for gospel the commandments of men" and remember, those of you who still read the bible, those are the words that Christ Himself spoke. If more proof is needed read the firs few books of Revelation where He is speaking of the Seven Churches. Who does Christ tell John is residing therein? Chapter 2 verses 8-9 and 12-14. It is Satan. His church, his people. sounds pretty bad doesn't it? Now, where is God in all this, you ask? He is right where He has always been, "In Him there is no variance nor shadow of turning." He is the same as He has always been, only man has changed,"in man's vain attempt to get smarter he has made himself foolish." He stands in the pulpit, and after exhausting every means he knows to get your trust as well as your money, he tells you that you need to be led to the Lord, and it is his job to get it done, funny how every thing a preacher does is his job. His job to preach, to teach, to instruct, to guide, to console, etc, etc, etc. All indicating he is doing it for money, because you get paid on the job, Paul on the other hand said"I covet no man's silver or gold." Paul did not baptize, circumcise, or collect tithes. But he did do one thing he PREACHED THE GOSPEL. And that is that when God is finished here on earth we ALL, as in ALL of us will go back to where we came from, wiser cleaner and holier then ever before. And we will all be ALL IN ALL. That is the what the bible says, and you do not need a man to teach you this, you can read it your self.God did not put you here to find His way, He put His way here to find you. Ecc. 12:13 "fear God and keep His commandments; for this is the whole duty of man."

  • 2012-08-07T16:03:10

Just as going to Burger King doesn't make you a Whopper, going to church doesn't make you a Christian... But it sure can help!

  • 2012-08-07T15:59:33

Love this Godtube~ thank you for your efforts in sharing God's good news in a dying world. All honor and Glory to the Father!

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