Christianity.com: How do Protestant and Catholic beliefs differ? - Phil Johnson

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  • 2014-02-26T21:04:54

Brock Smith, We definetely DON'T worship Mary. Our understanding of Prayer is much wider than worship. We worship none other than Jesus Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit as one God in three parts. Prayer can be communicating, asking, talking, and we do this with Saints and ask for their prayers. We never worship them. Our worship is for Christ alone. We pray to Mary, asking for her help and intercession. We do this because she was holy (how holy would you be if you held Christ in your womb for 9 months???), and she wants to bring us to Jesus. Jesus is our answer, not Mary. And as Morgan said the Hail Mary is in the bible word by word. Would you like a reference to it in scripture?

  • 2014-02-23T21:04:08

Brock Smith 1. We do not believe the pope speaking is God speaking. However the official teachings and doctrine(Catechism of the Catholic church) is infallible,Christ even said so. secondly, we do not praise,worship or "pray-to" Marry. We simple ask her to pray for us. the prayer we use when "praising Mary" (the hail Mary or in Latin Ave Maria) is completely biblical. we Honour Marry, just like Christ honours her because he is his mother, as we see her as ours as well. I also like how you said "i-believe" which means you are making most of your belief up so you don't have any expectations or improvements(which we all do)

  • 2013-08-16T06:44:46

I'm sorry - but you are ignorant, both of Roman Catholic theology and the Scriptures. Errors all the way through...

  • 2013-06-03T03:51:45

one jot or tittle will NOT change...very important NOT I left out.

  • 2013-06-03T03:51:32

one jot or tittle will NOT change...very important NOT I left out.

  • 2013-06-03T03:51:16

one jot or tittle will NOT change...very important NOT I left out.

  • 2013-06-03T03:50:26

What is your understanding of "Ex Cathedra" where the pope is said to be speaking as if God was speaking? We know from Scripture that one jot or tittle will change. How then can the pope be revealing new revelation from God? What about the seeming worship of Mary? When I am at one of my relatives weddings and they lay "an offering" (their words not mine) at the feet of a statue of Mary...I am supposed to be okay with this and not consider it idol worship? Jesus said, No one comes to the Father, but through me...So why are we praying to Mary? My understanding of the immaculate conception is that most people believe that it refers to the fact that Jesus came from a virgin(Mary) but have been shown writings from the Catholic faith saying it actually means that Mary was born without sin? Wasn't Jesus the only perfect person to ever walk the face of the Earth? Too many teachings that don't stand up to the Bible. Infant baptism to absolve the child of their "original sin"? Baptism does no such thing, and I believe it is the reference to justification from the video that is geared toward this belief. If you absolve the infant of their original sin, isn't that justification (declaring one righteous)?

  • 2013-06-03T03:50:05

What is your understanding of "Ex Cathedra" where the pope is said to be speaking as if God was speaking? We know from Scripture that one jot or tittle will change. How then can the pope be revealing new revelation from God? What about the seeming worship of Mary? When I am at one of my relatives weddings and they lay "an offering" (their words not mine) at the feet of a statue of Mary...I am supposed to be okay with this and not consider it idol worship? Jesus said, No one comes to the Father, but through me...So why are we praying to Mary? My understanding of the immaculate conception is that most people believe that it refers to the fact that Jesus came from a virgin(Mary) but have been shown writings from the Catholic faith saying it actually means that Mary was born without sin? Wasn't Jesus the only perfect person to ever walk the face of the Earth? Too many teachings that don't stand up to the Bible. Infant baptism to absolve the child of their "original sin"? Baptism does no such thing, and I believe it is the reference to justification from the video that is geared toward this belief. If you absolve the infant of their original sin, isn't that justification (declaring one righteous)?

  • 2013-06-03T03:49:37

What is your understanding of "Ex Cathedra" where the pope is said to be speaking as if God was speaking? We know from Scripture that one jot or tittle will change. How then can the pope be revealing new revelation from God? What about the seeming worship of Mary? When I am at one of my relatives weddings and they lay "an offering" (their words not mine) at the feet of a statue of Mary...I am supposed to be okay with this and not consider it idol worship? Jesus said, No one comes to the Father, but through me...So why are we praying to Mary? My understanding of the immaculate conception is that most people believe that it refers to the fact that Jesus came from a virgin(Mary) but have been shown writings from the Catholic faith saying it actually means that Mary was born without sin? Wasn't Jesus the only perfect person to ever walk the face of the Earth? Too many teachings that don't stand up to the Bible. Infant baptism to absolve the child of their "original sin"? Baptism does no such thing, and I believe it is the reference to justification from the video that is geared toward this belief. If you absolve the infant of their original sin, isn't that justification (declaring one righteous)?

  • 2013-03-26T01:37:55

thanks for sharing

  • 2013-03-17T05:00:22

Mr Johnson, Thank you for your excellent work for this site and the furtherment of Christ's kingdom. I would characterize myself, wholeheartedly, as a solid Roman Catholic. Viva La Papa! I do not take offense at the explanation that Catholics solidly hold to a covenant vs. contractual view of salvation. I hope by God's almighty grace to daily pick up my cross, to run the race, continuing to work out my salvation with fear and trembling. And as after the declaration of my wedding I cooperate with my wife, so to in the declaration of Faith do I continue to cooperate with my Lord. If cooperation ends when the minister makes that wonderful declaration, how happy will that marriage be? You have presented the hypothesis that Paul was referring to works, that would include Baptism, as the false teaching to be staunched in his time. I would ask why, when Paul refers to "The Law" or "Circumcision", this must necessarily extend to the largest interpretation of those words, phrases, and customs. The alternative Catholic understanding that you have not taken effort to refute: "that these were overridden by their new testament counterparts, Passover Lamb==> The Eucharist, Sabbath==>the Lord's Day, Circumcision==>Baptism, The steward of the King==>The Pontificate" would equally cause Paul to seek the end of these customs as they prevent the advancement of belief onto the greater teachings of Christ and his Church. Is this a predisposition to the Lutheran dogma of "Sola fide"? As Nobie points out below there is need for reconciliation between Catholics and Protestants. Ironically, the defining difference you point to here is the one that seems to have been resolved between Lutherans and Catholics in recent times: http://www.orlutheran.com/html/differ.html http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vatican.va%2Froman_curia%2Fpontifical_councils%2Fchrstuni%2Fdocuments%2Frc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html&ei=P0pFUePDA-mzyQGNv4GAAw&usg=AFQjCNESY7LZTTp6ZtxLZDwlmisMQ-7Ukw&sig2=iJ9E0n8MKA4Uh-Lglu4TpQ Please share the questions or doubts you may be struggling with in this, that in this we may not be divided, but be one just as was Jesus' prayer in his final hour. May Christ's peace fill you.

  • 2013-03-14T23:58:09

I would say Protestants and Catholics differ mostly on one important fact: Christ's suffering is our way to redemption, and by sharing in that suffering, we are brought to new life with him. ( Romans 6) By sharing in his death, we are brought to new life through the Eucharist--his New Covenant with the world. I love Jesus and have a personal and real relationship with him--I know full well that he is the only thing that matters, the point of my life, the lover of my soul, and the only way to the Father. All other "good" Catholics believe the same, even the Pope.

  • 2013-03-14T23:49:13

Yes, I agree with Nobie, you are uniformed, and seem really uneducated in this video. I don't mean that as an offending remark, but just as what I see, it is sad that you think that about Catholics...it's so not true! :) I am actually planning a specific Youth Group meeting right now on the redemptive power of Jesus, and how only through him can we be made whole, and through him we are saved. It isn't that baptism is our justification, we just know that there is a lot more at stake, from reading the bible by the way, and understanding it's truth. We have a way to be united back with God--Christ. And this relationship fosters actions, or good works, and it is through our active participation that we come to fully realize God's plan and his unending love for us. Do you love God? Prove it. If you love God but just sit back and let all the world go to hell, are you being a good Christian? nope. Jesus tells us how to live, and we should do it man, read the bible. ;)

  • 2013-03-14T17:23:41

Phil Johnson video: How do Protestant and Catholic beliefs differ? Dear Phil Johnson, What I enjoyed about this video is: the promotion of Christ as the source of our salvation, and Christ alone, I am Catholic and have been blessed by many protestants who have taught, guided me and acted as mentors. I have also been blessed by many Catholics. I believe we (all churches, denominations...make-up the body of Christ but we each seem to have different gifts.) I am also very deeply saddened by the fact that the 30,000 christian denominations are divided and often fight each other rather than just promote Christ. Yes, with so many different denominations we are bound not to agree on everything. When I have been to interdenominational events where different denominations and christian churches are brought together I am amazed at the power and presence of the Holy Spirit. I believe that Christ would love to see his churches unified and not suffering from division. I found you analysis of Catholicism to be very simplistic. First, Baptism is not considered justification but is considered the first of three sacraments of initiation, the second being communion and the third, confirmation. These three culminate in confirmation which is where the individual proclaims his faith and becomes a member of the church. These sacraments have to do with membership or joining the church (initiation and not justification as you mistakenly teach). You are right in saying one of the issues of The Reformation was works versus faith in Christ as redeemer. You , however, failed to recognize the Counter Reformation that took place in the Catholic Church after the Protestant Reformation where major reforms took place. We see salvation as a gift that we call grace. It is only won by Christ and is a gift - it not something we can earn. We see good works not as winning salvation but as a result of salvation and giving ourself over to Christ so that it he who lives and not us, so that we can be his instruments through who he can minister to others as we follow Christs command to spread the the good news of salvation in Christ (evangelization). In essence, we believe that if we are followers of Christ we will have good works but it is not these works that earn us salvation - salvation is a gift and won by Christ on the cross. There were many other issues during the Reformation like Luthers call for scripture as the sole arbitrator of faith. You know, evern Luther continued with many Catholic beliefs such as his devotions to Mary. Anyway, I think you promoted division between denominations and churches when so many other Christians are working toward unity and bringing healing to the body of Christ. For instance, the Anglicans and Lutherans working on the ecumenical council with Catholics have found they agree on many things that were previously a dispute because they were using different terminology. I hope you are fortunate to fellowship with Catholics and fellow protestants that desire healing, unity and collaboration rather that those who promote division and hope to pull christian sectors further apart from each other. Yes, I know you are a true believer, just very uninformed about the Catholic Church.

  • 2013-03-13T20:00:13

Very good analysis.

  • 2012-09-22T05:24:29

I have a mother who wanted to be a nun while she was still a maiden. Even in the brutal confusion of wars, she went to a Prostestant Bible school without knowing there are two main kinds of Christianity and married my father who'd be a Protestant minister. You can imagine the surprise on both parties after the truth was known! She did not give up. She retained her Catholic faith privately and tried to raise her five children into Catholic priests and nuns, which she failed. She read the Holy Bible regularly all her life and admitted the false doctrines of the Roman Catholicism, but she just did not give up the Catholic spirituality or simply loving it. Watching and listening to my mother and reading some Catholic writings and the historical records on their "saints" while reading the entire Bible repeatedly and getting the Prostestant education, I concluded the Catholicism must be included as Christianity. It seems the Christian Catholics REALLY TRUST Jesus alone for their salvation and for everything, in spite of the non-sense some of their false doctrines say. There are just such deep riches that all Christians can learn and be blessed by getting to know some Catholic true Christians. I think we Protestants are missing out a lot by not-knowing them, though the great Christians in both denominations resemble to each other. I think the Catholics are dying to retain their beloved traditions even if it means contradicting with the Holy Bible. When the Word convicts a Catholic, he'd leave the Roman Catholic Church permanently and joins a Bible-teaching church. But it's not impossible to stay as an born-again Christian within Catholicism, so it seems. The mainline Protestant churches that allow homosexuality must be far from the truth of God than the Catholic Church is.

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