Drift - by Lifetone Media

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  • 2013-10-26T20:31:44

Jesus is always there...but if we let the world get to us we can drift away. Lord, I need you every day

  • 2013-10-23T12:17:01

I am finding in my human self I need to solve problems.....but when I let go and let God..I am not laying down and playing dead,I am just saying,Lord ,you have always made better plans than I,and that I trust that you love me and all who are involved in this matter....We are ALL Gods children!

  • 2012-03-14T00:07:15

Janise Rose Hey Janise, I totally agree with you. I wasn't implying that endurance is something we can do in our strength; we are totally dependent on God for our salvation beginning to end. God is 100% in control and we are 100% responsible for our actions. It's a tension I don't think we can totally get our heads around, but these two things come together all the time in the Bible. Another way of putting it is: 1) Followers of Jesus WILL persevere and 2) Followers of Jesus MUST persevere. In Hebrews we see these things come together in verses such as Hebrews 12:2 "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." In the one verse is the imperative to fix our eyes on Jesus and the reassurance that He is the one who authors and perfects our faith. I suspect we are probably arguing very similar things; just approaching it from a slightly different angle. George Law - As to that tricky passage in Hebrews 6. I'm not sure if I fully get it but I think its better understood when you realise that Hebrews is written to a bunch of believers who are being tempted to turn back to Judaism. They keep doubting even the basics of their faith (5:11-12). The writer warns them that if they do chuck it all in forever, well then they are lost. It's interesting that even in the same chapter the author expresses confidence in their salvation, "Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case—things that accompany salvation." (verse 9) From God's perspective, he will never lose any of his children. He has adopted them to be his own, given them the seal of the Holy Spirit. Yet we do not have God's perspective and so there will be some among us for all intents and purposes appear to be believers and yet may turn away from Jesus. We need to heed the warnings God gives us. And if we are indeed the real deal, it is something we WILL do (by his grace). That video was shot around the Gold Coast actually. It has grown a lot since 92, it's always under development (as you would know). Great talking with you guys.

  • 2012-03-13T21:35:05

Wade Iedema -I guess there are many different interpretations of "enduring to the end" and the "perseverance of the saints" as there are different translations of the Bible...what I see is the interpretation of these is that God is the One able to keep a Christian saved...it is all Him and none of our doing...If it were possible for any of us to not "endure" to the end then it would have to be due to something we did, right? Because it certainly wouldn't be anything lacking in God as He is perfect. So eternal salvation promised to us upon salvation would not necessarily be "eternal" if we could lose it,right? So the obvious conclusion would be that God's promise of eternal life would be dependent on us,our behavior, etc....which is not true! If God is not able to hang on to us....than that would negate His promise of eternal life and finishing the work He began in us.

  • 2012-03-13T17:16:39

Wade Iedema Lived on the Gold Coast from 78" until 92" Big part of my testimony any way Mate you brought up Hebrews. what about that Hebrews 6: 4-6 One of those things best not mentioned?

  • 2012-03-13T16:58:34

Since were in Hebrews let's look at all of Hebrews 6: 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Repentance then forgiveness. So my salvation is for once and done and if I choose not to drop everything and peruse Jesus, I'm to understand that although I'm still saved my reward in heaven will not be as great. Matthew 25: 24-30 The Parable of the Bags of Gold

  • 2012-03-13T16:30:24

Janise Rose Sorry It should read Hebrews 6: 4-6

  • 2012-03-13T16:27:02

Janise Rose - Only the saved are saved no turning back Hebrews 4: 6-7 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

  • 2012-03-12T21:41:02

George Law -I believe that once a person has been truly saved that they can certainly stumble or believe false doctrine...temporarily anyways. Satan is a deceiver and if it was possible to deceive"the very elect",he would...and certainly tries to deceive us frequently. But becoming "lost" once you have been "found"...not if you are truly His! Didn't Jesus say that "none of them is lost" that the Father has given to Jesus? (John17:12) Tho' He was specifically talking about the disciples in that verse, later on in verse 20 He says that He is praying "for them also who shall believe on" Him... As for those that are spoken of in those chapters of Revelation, some true believers may temporarily be drawn away by the things of this world...but guess that if they never desire to return, the question might be asked if they were ever truly saved. I know from personal experience that God never leaves wandering sheep to wander...

  • 2012-03-12T15:18:18

Hey guys, thanks for your comments. This video is inspired by the book of Hebrews and in particular chapter 2:1 "We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away." In regards to drifting/perseverance/backsliding etc, God's word tells us two things: 1) Followers of Jesus WILL persevere 2) Followers of Jesus MUST persevere As Christian (above) has pointed out there are many passages that give us great assurance that God is always faithful to us. However, this doesn't mean we should be naive about the dangers around us. There are plenty scriptural warnings to be on guard and exhorting us to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus. The way God keeps us from falling away is not through keeping us locked in a cage but through His word, in the form of warnings not to turn away. The true believer will heed those warnings and listen to God and endure to the end. In the meantime, all of us will face that temptation to drift away from God and we have a part to play in helping each other cling to the hope we have in Jesus. Hebrews 6:19: "19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure."

  • 2012-03-10T20:27:10

Oh Yea! I'm sure Glad I'm His.

  • 2012-03-10T20:14:35

Are you saying there are no Apostates? That churches cannot fall away once approved by God as his? Remembering that churches are only people. How to properly interpret Revelation 2 & 3 except for the falling away of people who were once saved? They begin by turning away from their first love and start to compromise with the world. Having heard the word and believed the word but still turned away from God! Then comes the acid test and we find out that only the saved are saved.

  • 2012-03-10T19:40:59

It's a very powerful testimony!!!

  • 2012-03-10T19:05:35

Christian Cullum -"backsliding" is found in many places in the Bible...Proverbs14:4,Jer.8:5,14:7,Hosea14:4-'I will heal their backsliding,I will love them freely;for mine anger is turned away from him." and Psalm80:3-Restore us(turn us again),O God of hosts,and cause thy face to shine,and we shall be saved."Jer.3:22-"Return, ye backsliding children,and I will heal your backslidings..." We cannot depend on ourselves to save ourselves...why should we think we can depend on ourselves to keep us saved? He promised those who believe on Him eternal life...not only until we blow it...as David did.. and then we are on our own. He is able to keep us. He began the work in us...He will finish it. He is faithful even when we aren't always faithful. That is not license to sin...but His mercy and grace.

  • 2012-03-10T16:03:47

Janise Rose What is back-sliding (please explain it to me), and where exactly is it found in Scripture?

  • 2012-03-10T13:26:01

guess you never heard about back-sliding...it is not the person that holds on to God...but God that holds onto the person. if it were up to us...we would all be lost.He began the work in us and will see it through...not us but Him.

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