Christianity.com: If a Christian commits suicide, do they still go to heaven?-Joe Thorn

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  • 2013-09-22T20:34:27

Our brother is repositing the question in his OWN WORDS as follows (check it out!): "Can we loose our salvation? That's the real question." Our brother is saying, that once you are saved, you are always saved! But that is not the REAL question, as cast on the video title title: the real question is, can a Christian kill himself and go to heaven or better still, can he kill himself and still be a Christian? Brother, if you still insist that that is the real question, then, by co-extention, one may ask other fair game questions, such as: can a person commit adultery or be sexually immoral or commit homosexual acts, AND DIE WHILE DOING THEM, and IN SPITE OF HIS SIN STILL go to heaven? The answer comes from God Himself Who says THROUGH PAUL: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate perverts, nor those who sleep with men as they sleep with women, nor rapacious ones, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God". If you ask a guy's wife--while her husband is sleeping with the neighbour' s wife, and she knows it--if her husband is really an adulterer, she is likely going to go ballistic, and say to (shout at!!!) you: "What else is he?” Of course there are guys who have BEEN there, but thankfully they are no longer there! There are guys who have been sexually immoral or have committed adultery--like king David--but have they repented from their sin, and God has forgiven them! Repentance, does not mean perfection, but it does mean turning back to God and turning away from specific sins such as the ones itemized a/m. We are NOT being judgmental, and we are not haters just because we are declaring the word of God. There' s no salvation without repentance from such sins. But even if we are saved we should be careful! If we go into apostasy (turn our back to God, and go back to our sinful ways, which may include some such sins), then we become prodigals, and we have run away from our Father, and unless we turn back to God, we will not be saved. The jailor in Philippi was going to kill himself when he saw that gates opened, BUT Paul shouted to him "Do not do anything bad to yourself". The jailor was distressed, in fear and despair but he obeyed God' s voice. Had he not, had he given in to despair or confusion he would ended in hell. The point is that if a guy kills himself, he is a killer, and if dies instantly, he just has no time to repent.

  • 2013-09-21T23:49:04

Can the dead repent of there sin?

  • 2013-09-21T17:45:58

And BTW I am a Roman Catholic

  • 2013-09-21T17:43:08

It is my opinion and belief that God,ii in His Mercy wouldn't punish the poor soul But the Lord is the final Judge...

  • 2013-09-21T17:22:44

Stacy Smith Aannestad Stacy I agree with you...There can be NO sin in Heaven which seems to say like years ago that to commit suicide you went to hell..The will to live is very strong in humans and if someone commits suicide they have to be desperately ill.. And mental illness is a real disease..

  • 2013-09-20T01:49:51

Stacy this is why the Bible tells us to keep our eyes continuously on Jesus. J Don Lovegrove suicide is not the answer, you have the right to believe what you want, but we can't play God, committing suicide is saying you know better than God about your life, Jesus told us to be overcomers, God has fixed a day for every person to die, that his right because he is God. You nor I have the right to take our own lives, if you are a Christian your body belongs to God, it is the temple of the Holy Spirit, the Bible says he who destroys the temple, God will destroy him, remember the word tells us not to fear man who can only destroy the body, but fear the one who can destroy the body and soul...That would be God. It saddens me to hear these people trying to teach that suicide can take you to heaven, if that were the case, why would Jesus tell us to endure to the end....I hear all this talk about mental illness....If you are able to know enough to talk about this subject you have no excuse. Now someone who has had a stroke and no longer knows where or who they are, then they have the mind of an infant they dont know right from wrong or the consequences of their actions, God will allow them in, but if a person is just trying to get out from under the hardships of life, no I believe they will miss the mark. By committing suicide the act itself is saying God isn't big enough for my problems. If you were suffering with awful pain because of cancer, I believe Jesus would say endure to the end, my grace is sufficient for you. We all have different beliefs, but just think about it....I tell you its okay to take your life, you will still go to heaven, that doesn't even sound right. To many people are using this mental illness card way too much. Unless you are unable to make decisions, I think the person making the choice for suicide has turned their back on the Lord....What is sad is there has been a lot of people who were told they would still go to heaven, and they committed suicide. God has your day marked, its not our right to check out till God says so. If it was okay to kill ourselves, what would be our need of the Holy Spirit, things get bad just pop some pills or pull the trigger, etc. Gob forbid.... Suicide is against the law, because it is murder of yourself, does not the Bible say murders will not inherit the kingdom of God, unless they have repented. We repent after we sin, not before. So unless you lived long enough afterwards of the act, how could you repent of the sin. For a person to say God forgive me for what IM about to do is guilty of willful sin, in my opinion not a true Christian. You said you have walked away from God and you don't know if it is possible to make it right with God again...Well God will forgive you and receive you back if you only repent, its all about choice our free will, God won't force you to serve and believe in him, but he will honor your choice, so if you ask God to forgive you, he will, but you must turn from your sin and follow Jesus. Don't go on feelings, emotions will fail you, we live, we walk by faith not by sight. We cant trust our feelings. I pray you give your life back to God, and use your life to help others who struggles with this same problem. Satan has so many lies out there these days its hard to tell right from wrong at times, but this to is a sign from God that the end is near. Place your trust in God give him your whole heart, keep nothing for yourself. Paul lived through many struggles in his life, but he said he ran the race he finished the course, hence there is a crown of righteousness laid up for me..... Paul could have given up, but he knew he must finish the race, cross that finish line inorder to receive the reward. If a runner quits the race, he is disqualified. You said you could not do it because you didn't know for sure if you would go to heaven...I think that was God s Holy Spirit telling you not to do it. God bless

  • 2013-09-19T21:55:43

PHILLIP JACKSONsuicide is a selfish way of dying. No matter what the problems or personal circumstances are no one has the right to take their own life. That right belongs to God alone. He gives life and He takes life. Having. Suicidal thoughts are not sin because prophets Elijah and Jonah had them but carrying it out is sin. Let me emphasise very strongly God is MORE than able, More Powerful, Almighty to help us overcome any problems of living. Committing suicide is a sign of lack of trust and confidence that God is able. Value your life because we are made in the image and the likeness of God.

  • 2012-05-10T18:08:54

When asking a Bible and Greek professor (at a Calvinistic Bible College) about whether or not the following verse was speaking on the matter of suicide, his response was 'yes!' There appears to be a sin that leads to death that there is no forgiveness for. I would argue that it's suicide that John is referring to here: 16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. THERE IS A SIN THAT LEADS TO DEATH. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. 18 We know that ANYONE BORN OF GOD DOES NOT CONTINUE TO SIN; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. -1 John 5:16–18 NIV.

  • 2012-05-10T17:40:05

Was Judas a follower of Jesus?

  • 2012-05-07T14:16:35

When u r in the depths of despair is when u do see r God!

  • 2012-04-29T03:51:33

J Don Lovegrove your post brings tears to my eyes and I have to tell you that I struggled with Hebrew 10:26 as well as my salvation. Please believe me when I say to you that Jesus understands addiction and that we becomed enslaved and sometimes cannot break free once we get ensnared with it. I did the exact things you mentioned above and could've written your post and when I tried to get back to the Lord it was like I was a bag of dry bones and the heavens were glass. I just kept crying out to Jesus and reading the Holy Bible and praying and months passed. I just kept at it and during that time was like a wilderness. God showed me that His gift and His call are irrevocable and He will finish the work to completion that He started in us. It takes our full surrender and that may happen in a moment or days or months or years. Some of us have been damaged very badly by this life and Jesus see this He sees our hearts our pain our tears and He is there always. He never leaves us. And please get a proper study on Hebrews 10:26 in context Paul is referring to turning from Jesus back to Judaism. Please don't take your life...please let Jesus help you on this side...

  • 2012-04-28T05:53:37

STACEY, YOU ARE RIGHT ON ! I SUFFER FROM CLINICAL DEPRESSION AMONG MANY OTHER DISEASES AND MALADIES AND I WOULD BE LYING IF I SAID I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT . WHAT ALWAYS SEEMS TO PULL ME THROUGH THE " DARK TIMES " IS WHEN I SPEND TIME SITTING QUIETLY , ALLOWING THE LORD TO SPEAK TO MY HEART . IT BRINGS GREAT PEACE TO MY MIND , SOUL, AND BODY . Stacy Smith Aannestad

  • 2012-04-28T05:42:52

SISTER GRACE KIM KWON, YOUR RESPONSE TO THE TOPIC OF SUICIDE IS WONDERFULLY WRITTEN!!!. THANK THE LORD THAT MAN DOES NOT JUDGE MAN ON THE LAST DAY BUT, A LOVING AND COMPASSIONATE GOD WHO LOVES HIS CHILDREN . I JUST ENCOURAGE ANYONE THINKING OF GIVING THEIR HEART TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST , THAT THEY SHOULD DO SO . TO FOLLOW HIM WHO DIED AND THEN ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR US IS THE GREATEST LOVE YOU WILL EVER EXPERIENCE IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE !!! PRAISES TO OUR KING OF ALL KINGS !!!

  • 2012-04-28T05:28:18

Allow me to answer your Question Mr.Joe Thorn...Any person will commits suicide absolutely they're not yet been experience to be a Christian/Saved/Born Again. Why? Because IF the Lord will allow this thing to happen or the Bible teaching us this things!? Therefore No more Christian will do the will of God to continued His ministry or His purpose of bringing people/Soul's or reaching out people to Christ! If that is so..We will rush to finish our physical life here on earth because of Unsatisfaction in life, problem or difficulties in life, just to go there and to see Heaven! Without "take up the cross and follow me". There is a purpose why HE saved us both Jews and Greek, 1. He commanded us to search and to study the scriptures in order for us to grow more to have wisdom and knowledge 2. He commanded us to "GO" as far as the great commission is concerned, specially for the men's of the local churches to preach, to teach 3. To serve Him more and to fellowship one another in the church then unto Him be glory. 4. And to continued the work and the ministry of Christ ("take up the cross and follow me") from Antioch In Jerusalem to the local churches that was scattered throughout the land unto the uttermost part of the earth! We so called Bible Baptist Christians, we are the conquerors and the salt of this world! We are called a Living Sacrifices to the work of Christ! Even we are trying to divide our own schedules daily in our personal life because of our personal needs/wants! That is our duties and responsibilities as a Christian, no matter what the world will says! So let us value our temporary life (physically). We are living by faith, the only thing that the just shall live!

  • 2012-04-27T22:41:17

J Don Lovegrove You're in a real struggle right now, obviously. I think God understands that. If you ever in your life gave your heart to Jesus, genuinely accepted Him as Savior, then you have been sealed by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption and you cannot lose your faith (there are denominations that would disagree with that, but if you look at the Bible as a whole, particularly the New Testament, it seems clear that Jesus did the work of redemption on the cross ONCE for our sins. He does not need to be repeatedly crucified.) The passage in Hebrews to which you refer means that once a person has tasted the goodness of the Lord, etc., and then that person turns away, it is impossible for them to be brought back to a place where they truly wish to repent ... it does not say their salvation is lost, but their desire for repentance may be seared. (My pastor explains this better than I do.) Anyway ... I think what you're having trouble with is the old "dying to self" thing. Right now it feels like the most important thing to you is to have what feels like comfort -- drinking alcohol to blot out emotional pain, etc. It's hard to grasp and accept that the comfort that comes from being intimately close with Jesus could possibly be better than the "comfort" we find for ourselves. There is no easy path, here. Pain is part of living. When we use cheap substitutes to try to drown our sorrows, they will always fall short. Jesus, on the other hand, is the ultimate comfort. From my own experience, I know how hard this is. Sometimes He is silent. Sometimes He seems very far away. Sometimes I doubt His existence. But in the end I always come back to belief, because He always reminds me that He is real and He loves me more than I could ever imagine. Took me YEARS to get to that place. My own journey has included long, long stretches where Jesus seemed so far away. But when we cling to Him, when we choose Him over everything -- including over our own comfort -- His presence becomes very real to us. I'm going to suggest two things for you, Don ... one is a little devotional book called "Jesus Calling" by Sarah Young. You can find it at Amazon or Christianbook.com. It is awesome. And sometimes painful because the whole point of the book is that Jesus wants us to spend TIME with Him, and often I'm too busy, then I feel guilty. But His love is unconditional and He does not turn away from me. The other whole point of the book is that He is everything I need. I'm still learning this, but when I grasp it, it is amazing. The other thing is, I'd like you to read an essay at http://www.internetmonk.com/articles/B/broken.html (The Internet Monk, Michael Spencer, "When I Am Weak.") It nails the whole weakness thing, and it is beautiful and awesome. SO, in the end, I don't know if you have a relationship with Jesus or not -- only you and He know that for sure. It's not something to mess around with, so I would get that straight first thing (you can tell Him you don't know if you truly ever accepted Him, and tell Him you're doing so now. If you don't feel like you can do that, you can ask Him to help you get to that place). Don, He doesn't expect you to get it all together in order to follow Him, nor does He expect you to nail it all the first few weeks. This Christian life is a lifelong learning thing ... and He knows that, and He doesn't condemn us for our weakness. He loves you, Don, struggles and all. He desperately wants you in His Kingdom -- and you belong there, with all the rest of us ragamuffins. Grace & peace, Stacy

  • 2012-04-27T21:47:42

As far as we are concerned only baptist is the denomination that never change their belief that we are save forever. As we study the life of lot he did not do any good in his lifetime but if we read in 2 pet 2 God call him righteous.

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