Christianity.com: What about the parts of the Book of Hebrews that seem to say it's possible to lose salvation?-Joel Bradberry



  • 2012-03-01T10:11:33

You prove my point that all Calvinists believe people like my self denegrate the Lord's sovereignty by simply suggesting that people are accountable , thus responsible. Your understanding of absolute sovereignty and mine differ hugely, and I will never believe that God has "chosen" the majority of the human race to go to hell, and for His favorite few to be saved.I believe tha He simply knows the outcome, and the few will be saved. I believe II Peter 3: 9 .....the Lord is not willing that any should perish , but that all would come to repentance" God is not an evil sadist, gloating over the damned, but is sorrowful for those who spurn His grace, and refuse to repent of their sinful ways. They will go to Hell for eternity , but not according to Calvin..." that He is delighted in arbitrarily choosing and thus sending souls to Hell." Therefore, Jesus was sorrowful over those in Jerusalem who WOULD not come to Him, not those who COULD not come to Him. By the way, John Calvin was 24 years old when he wrote " Institutes of The Christian Religion" and had just recently come out of Catholicism. Get the point, ...he also later mandated the execution of a Michael Servetus for having differing views of God. That is not the way to win a potential brother or sister to Christ, at least I don't believe so . I'm a joyful Christian man, and will simply continue preaching and teaching "the excellencies of Him who has saved us" hoping to win as many to Christ as I (we) can , and yes , By the Grace of the Living God.

  • 2012-02-29T04:36:41

John William Artley Sir it says book of life not blott out of the Lambs book of life.. Please don't get the books mistaken. If you think they could be blotted out does this mean King David is not in heaven he sinned the 2 horrible sins as most think, adultery and murder yet he was called a man after Gods on heart. If you are saved your sin is gone you still live in a human fleshly body and we fight against the power of the principalities of the air. No one is good except Jesus. So I think it would be arrogant for me to think I could stay and keep myself clean and sin free. No sir it takes Jesus blood to keep me saved its nothing we do its WHAT HE DOES AND HE SAYS I AM SEALED UNTI THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. That's why I can lay my head down at night and get up in the morning because He has done what I can's do. Thank You Lord Jesus. The word of God has to be taken from Gensis to Revelation. The scarafices of old are not needed once a year anymore because He came and paid the once for all. If He died once for all then why would I have to keep getting saved or lose my salvation. I would never want Him to have to keep going back to the cross to keep on saving me. No Sir Once was all it took. I may not always look or act like you think a christian should,because I am still growing and I fall alot but Jesus still says I am HIs.

  • 2012-02-29T04:18:46

Nils Salminen Sorry. You didn't chose Him, John 15:16. He chose you. Why would you chose Him? I want to believe that you are confused and actually when He chose you, that you accepted Him. Yes He does want all to come but all won't accept Him. I was just like you for many years ago thinking how lucky God was to have some one like me on His side. He really brought me to the place where the rubber meets the road. I saw John15:16 true.Now I know how blessed and mericfully graced to have Him on myside. I didn't have the knowledge nor the power to chose Him. He died forall He is no respector of persons. He does love everyone but everyone doesn't love Him. I am proud that you chose God. I don't believe in pre-chosen meaning only a few are chosen. Israel were the only ones chosen, they rejected and He says Whosoever will come. He does know all things the beginning and the end. I am glad you are chosen no matter if you think you chose Him, He chose you. The important issue is that your name is written in the Lambs book of life. There's 2 books, Book of life and the Lambs book of life. It's more important that your name be in the Lambs book than just to be in the book of life saying you were created Ps.139. That is great but that want get you back to heaven you must have your name in the Lambs book of life. Sorry My Bible doesn't say anywhere that I chose Him but praise God it does say He chose me. May He Bless you in your journey with Christ.

  • 2012-02-29T01:54:05

Eddie Bowen, all humans deserve hell. Our sole rightful, just place at the end of our earthly life is eternal hell though there's different degree of punishment according to what one has done(Rev.20); don't forget that. If you ever imagine any human deserves something better than hell, you are in your own dream world, not on the Planet Earth. Wake up to reality. The reality is total depravity of humanity. The problem is the creature's inclination to godless autonomy. We should be just thankful through Jesus' atonement God has snatched us away from our natural destination.

  • 2012-02-28T16:11:25

Janice Foshee Thank you for your sweet/sincere testimony. There are those out there, on the other hand, who simply cannot swallow the free/resposible agency of man. It comforts them somehow that everything , in their understanding, is all pre-determined, instead of simply fore-known. You seem like a precious Grace-born follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I share your wonderful gratitude. I'm a free Christian also , and understand the great mercy of God . As long as we stay with the Bible we should come out as "more then conquerors through Him who dies for us" EB

  • 2012-02-28T07:59:28

Eddie Bowen, yes, but the fact we choose God is His grace. Without His grace and sovereignty, we cannot choose God.

  • 2012-02-28T07:52:16

John William Artley, from other passages of the Scripture, we know Jesus is saying that this 'blotting out" cannot and will not happen with Him, though the human officials often did with some citizens for various reasons with their registry. He who overcomes is forever Heaven's citizen; a change to that status is impossible in Heaven, totally unlike the human society.

  • 2012-02-28T07:42:01

Eddie Bowen, Amen to that, but remember that salvation is solely by God's grace. And never under-estimate His absolute sovereignty. The fact we choose God is His grace. Like the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, don't be sad even if you can't grasp the total meaning of the relation of God's sovereignty and man's free will and accountability. Take God at His Word.

  • 2012-02-28T03:48:16

Eddie Bowen Sir, I am not sure why Jesus was sorrowful the Bible doesn't say. My opinion (Which doesn't count for much) but I do know He died for all and that He knew before the beginning of time who would accept Him and who would not. But that didn't stop Him from going to the cross. He died for all knowing that some would deny Him just like Peter But Peter was the first one He said to tell after his resurrection. So Peter neither stayed loyal to Jesus and Jesus didn't unsave Peter. He knows our humaness.He is all knowing, The beginning and the end, All Mighty,Holy One The Great I Am. The Righteous One The King of Kings, so maybe He was sorrowful knowing who He is and understanding that they didnot and wouldnot try to know Him,thet they would reject Him.. Makes me sorrowful that they would never know My Jesus only because they chose not to. As for the L(limited Atonement) and U (unconditional election) of Calvin. I don't have a clue about that due to I don't follow a Calvin I follow The Word of God and I am one of those that doesn't deserve to be saved yet when He called or made His conviction upon my spirit I accepted and I know that I need His forgiveness everyday, but I will be sealed until the day of redemption and then I be known as I am known. I have not always believed the Bible in the fullness. I beleived what my parents taught, until I began to seek the word on my own and thru inductive study did I learn through the Holy Spirit the true word of God. That is something I would really like to do indepth study on. So thank you for bringing this to the table. May God give both of us wisdom to understand His word more thoroughly.In Christ.

  • 2012-02-27T21:34:53

sorry the above is found in REV. 3:5 NOT 2:5

  • 2012-02-27T21:22:26

Rev. 2:5He who OVERCOMES shall be clothed in white garments and I will NOT BLOT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE; but will confess his name to my Father and before His angels .....now if God can't blot out your name why was this said ....if you do not overcome your name will be blotted out ....so if you stay in your sin and say your saved are you ?????

  • 2012-02-27T21:00:49

@ Nathan...you said, "in fact Mary hated Jesus." Huh?? There are NO Biblical *facts* to substantiate such a preposterous claim. Mary was a humble servant of Almighty God who said, "Yes" to His plan. She was probably a kind, good-hearted and prayerful peasant girl. She said "yes" because even though she didn't understand everything that was to come, she trusted God. As for the many interpretations of the Bible...have any of you on this thread read any of the writings of the First, Second and Third Century Church??? These were people, who were, generally as a group, Martyrs who ultimately died defending the Christian faith. The earliest writers actually knew/followed Jesus' 12 Apostles in the flesh, so if any people would have the right interpretation of various Scriptures, it would have been them. They heard the words and their *actual* meanings right from the " horses' mouths," so to speak. Paul indicates that heresies concerning the faith had crept up into the early Church pretty much from the "get-go," but there were a token few who preserved and passed along the faith as it was taught from the beginning. Of course you've not read them, because the Church at large generally doesn't teach about them. There was confusion & misunderstanding about the Divinity of Christ and other matters from the beginning. "There is nothing new under the sun." (Eccl. 1:9)

  • 2012-02-27T13:18:42

He didn't leave us alone...He invaded our world via Jesus Christ, died for our sins , rose for our justification and calls all men (people) to follow Him......but never forces His will uopn us. Thus all people bear the outcome of personal response to the Saving Message. There is no spontaneous Christianity anywhere, but only where Christians have gone before with the Good News in their hearts, and the Bible tucked under theire arm....Amen !! Romans 10:17

  • 2012-02-27T01:53:54

Grace Kim Kwon Again , why is Jesus agonizing over those whom He pre-ordained for Hell. If they go to Hell because of the lack of God's Choosing them for everlasting life , why the agony and perhaps even tears? It has to be that Jesus said they "Wouldn't " could. Not that they "Couldn't" Come. Think deeply please and don't just knee jerk react back to the TULIP persuasion of Calvin without thinking it through. Calvin was 24 years old and had just recently come out of Catholicism when he crafted his theological reasonings.

  • 2012-02-26T09:33:58

Eddie Bowen, because man's freedom is also reality and God has emotions. Natural man left alone WOULD not choose God.

  • 2012-02-26T09:33:10

Eddie Bowen, because man's freedom is also reality and God has emotions. Natural man left alone WOULD not choose God.

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