Christianity.com: What about the parts of the Book of Hebrews that seem to say it's possible to lose salvation?-Joel Bradberry

I have always looked on those passages as a warning to those who might consider themselves amount the saved but never REALLY had the saving faith to become amount those truly saved. Those that truly became saved, will not fall away, as their salvation will provide them with the strength to overcome that which might try to drive them from God. On the other hand, there could be people who did the exact same things, but their salvation wasn't based on a true saving faith, but maybe an emotional or intelectual response. These people need to heed the warnings and notice that they are drifting away from God, and examine their life and faith, and perhaps come to the full understanding that is salvation. If not, they may "lose" their salvation, but it was because they never truly were saved, only that they thought they were saved. Only God knows who is truly saved, and those that are his will forever be his. From our earthly perspective we can either call it "losing" or salvation (which we never really had, if we do fall that far down), or not having had the saving faith.

Pastor Kinlow God has not pre-chosen His elect – God knows all, the beginning, the present and the end. We choose God for if God were to choose he would want all to come to him. Why give us this life on Earth if he has already chosen his select. No, I prefer to think that I have chosen God.

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Here we have the classic Calvinist versus Armenian argument. We have God's sovereignty pitted against man's free will (can I walk out of grace). We have those who want to live any way they want and still claim grace (and of course the Calvinists insist these folks were never really saved) and then we have those who feel like they better get to church on Sunday because they sinned on Wednesday and they might be lost before Sunday! Let's simply rightly divide the Word. God's keeping power is true. But so is man's free will. It's hard to get lost once you are saved. Who would want to? But you can. God does not obliterate free will. THAT'S what Hebrews is about in chapters 6 and 10. Very simple. The coin has two sides. God's sovereign salvation and man's choice. If it's IMPOSSIBLE to walk out of grace, that is not love, which requires choice, that is a robot. Let's rightly divide the Word (understand it's truths in tension) and quit with the one-sided coins already. Have you also noticed it creates unity in the Body of Christ when you include both sides and quit with one-sided camps?

It appears to me that as is normal in most humans we would rather argue points of view and interpretation rather than simply take GOD'S word as it was written. We follow the interpretations of other men who have no better knowledge than we do about what GOD means. When we get down to the bare basics of the Word of GOD we forget to keep it simple, stupids. 1] Do I believe JESUS CHRIST is the only begotten son of GOD? yes or no. 2] Do I believe that HE was born of a virgin as scripture states? yes or no. 3] Do I believe HE died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for my sins? yes or no. 4] Do I accept HIS sacrifice and accept HIM as my Lord and Savior? yes or no. 5] Have I asked HIM to forgive my sins and accept me just as I am? yes or no. If no I have thrown away my opportunity of eternal life with GOD. If yes, I have entered into a walk with GOD that can develop me into that special being GOD has designed me to be. Will GOD ever give up on me and leave me? no. But I can turn away from HIM and go back into the world of sin and death. GOD will do all that HE can to draw me back but HE will not violate my free will choice. And I can choose to condemn myself and cost myself the salvation GOD provided BY MY OWN CHOICE. AS THE BIBLE SAYS; THERE ARE TWO PROMISED LANDS IN THE WORD OF GOD. HEAVEN OR HELL. THE CHOICE IS OURS.

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He is right on. To many people play church, and know about Jesus, and believe they are saved but still live the way the world lives without the sensitivity of the Holy Spirit convicting them of sin. Many will stand before God and say they went to church, or played on a worship team even were pastors in a church butbGod will say to them i never knew you.

Absolutely God has chosen a few and condemned a great majority. He died for all but all denied him, so he showed grace to whom he would and made wrath for the nations he would please to do... Whosoever comes will be saved it does not say that everyone will come be saved, but of those that indeed come will be saved those are the whosoever because when you do it you become apart of that text Apart of the " whosoever".....

I think a distinction needs to be made between Calvinists and hyper-Calvinism when we enter this discussion. I say this because it is amazing to me in spite of the fact that no matter how many times the contemporary reformed theologian or preacher says "God's choice is not arbitrary," those who lean towards the Arminian side of the argument say the Calvinist view of "the election of God" is arbitrary. This is what one calls a "straw man." It is to deliberately mistake your opponents argument in order to justify yours. Calvinsm does not teach that God is arbitrary. This is what the semi-pelagian says about Calvinism. The bottom line is those whom God has chosen will persevere in their salvation until they are in the eternal state.

Another typical case of hard line Calvinism. Calvinism dies hard in any Christian who has been oriented by the tentacles of Calvinism, but if one is a Calvinist, he must also swallow the whole premise of Arbitrary election of the "chosen few" instead of simply believing that "whosoever may come". Arbitrary dictatorial election is a hard swallow in light of John 3:16 , I must say. Different portraits of God are painted by the brush of of Calvinists , as opposed to free-Christians.