Christianity.com: Should Christians be looking for a rapture of the church?-Michael Horton



  • 2012-03-04T17:21:02

Wow, this theology is way off. First off, why would God make the existing church suffer through the tribulation which is going to have the worst destruction and torments this world has ever experienced? This makes absolutely no sense to say God would put those who have already accepted His son as their savior to go through this terrible time in world history. Secondly, how in the world is the anti Christ going to be able to be revealed and do what he is going to do if there are knowledgeable Christians still here on the planet? One of the major things the anti-Christ is going to do is massively deceive the entire planet. With the exception of those few people who convert and become saved immediately after the rapture happens, and then the people those new Christians are able to witness to, everyone is going to be deceived. If the anti-Christ had to deal with knowledgeable Christians of who he is, I doubt this would happen very easily at all as we would most likely see his rise into power and be trumpeting it out to non believers. The bible makes it clear that Satan and his anti-Christ will not be able to deceive the elect, or in other words, those who are saved and have put their trust in God. (For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. Matthew 24:24 NIV). Third, there is nothing "secret" about the rapture. While I am not certain that the trumpet will be heard by non believers or not, certainly the disappearance of hundreds of millions of people around the world is going to be very publicly known. The following verse makes it pretty clear that the rapture is going to be very public. (Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Matthew 24:40 NIV). (At that time two people will be in the field. One will be taken, and the other will be left behind Matthew 24:40 International Standard Version). Fourth, Jesus Himself gives us the parable of the virgins and warns us to always be watchful, for we know not when the rapture will occur and that He will return to take His church as a thief in the night. This means it is going to be sudden and at a time we do not expect. There will be plenty of signs and as believers we will be able to recognize those signs. I personally believe that with everything that is going on in the world that I will not see a natural death of old age. I may die of a heart attack, disease, accident, etc...but I believe the rapture is imminent within the next 40 years at most. There are more points that can be made about this, but this guy is far off base on the rapture and it's events. Irregardless of your beliefs on the rapture, the most important thing is to put your trust in Jesus as your savior. To become saved really is simple: Admit out loud to God that you are a sinner, ask Him to forgive your sins, declare your belief in Jesus and his death upon the cross as an atonement for your sins....and then simply believe that because you have done this that God will restore a relationship with you personally simply because He is just and loving and has said He will do so. It is that last part that so many people I think struggle with when it comes to understanding salvation. You must believe that God will restore the relationship and once you truly understand that, Satan will never be able to come at you in regards to if you are truly saved or not. While becoming saved really is a simple process, living as a Christian is much more difficult. When you make that decision it is important to find a good Church and get connected with people that can help encourage and guide. God bless everyone, hopefully my post didn't bore anyone to death. ;)

  • 2012-03-03T18:01:09

Thanks, Chuck. When you're finished, we'd appreciate a review at Amazon.com. http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Postmillennialism-teachings-Mathison-Kenneth/dp/1451542860/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283930599&sr=1-5

  • 2012-03-03T02:54:38

The early Christian martyrs considered it an honor to suffer for Jesus. Are we better than the Christians around the world who have been persecuted. The tribulation is the work of the Antichrist, we will be protected from God's wrath, just as the Israelites were in Egypt before Moses led them out.

  • 2012-03-03T02:50:45

I believe that Peter was referring to the new heavens and the new earth which is after the Millennium.

  • 2012-03-03T02:26:07

Johannes Filippusson, if the Bride has lessons to learn, we may. Jesus is also our God. I think Christians should not be afraid of facing the tribulation; the thought of tribulation should keep us pious and alert. Too many of us have sleepy heads in spite of all the signs and warnings. After the Holocaust, we're living in a different kind of planet. North Koreans are going through a tribulation for 60 years.

  • 2012-03-02T17:38:45

"Secret" is sort of pejorative language. I wouldn't call it a "Secret Rapture". The disappearance of millions of folks will be pretty obvious. The a-millenial view, which presupposes the tribulation of revelations occurring during the church age is defensible, but pre-trib, pre-millenial eschatology fits the totality of scripture much better.

  • 2012-03-02T17:32:15

About 2/3 through your assault on the postmil position. Very good stuff. <><

  • 2012-03-02T17:31:40

Horton seems to think that his version is nobler than the widely accepted dispensational view. Where he comes up with his earthly renovation view is beyond me. Listen, I am heartened by his optimism, but distressed with his lack of exegetical support. I watched an hour plus Sproul Jr. video and was shocked by the fact that his extremely confident assertions were based merely 2 NT verses...neither of which directly supported his view. It was like watching an hour's worth of science fiction. <><

  • 2012-03-02T17:29:11

To quote the great Adrian Rogers, "What sort of bridegroom would torture his bride for 7 years before the wedding?"

  • 2012-03-02T17:05:57

Horton forgets that Jesus and all the apostles predicted a first-century return. If it didn't occur -- which is, obviously, Horton's position -- why would any sane person expect Jesus to return now? http://www.preterism.info

  • 2012-03-01T17:31:36

I don't agree with his theology at all since there are too many scriptures that support a millennial reign with the saints in attendance but thankfully the most important doctrine that he does believe in is that those who call Jesus Lord and follow His ways will be with Him for eternity... the topic of rapture and of the literal 1000 reign of Christ on earth has been debated and will be debated by top biblical scholars and will not be settled until the Master comes... we need to be careful when debating not to be personal in our comments. Come Lord Jesus however you want, just come :) I think it's clear that "the church" does not go through the tribulation, but hey if we do, Jesus will walk through it with us!

  • 2012-03-01T02:48:38

Tom Riccio Also look into Luke Ch.21 verse 36 tells us to watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

  • 2012-03-01T02:37:27

Tom Riccio I never said it was a secret rapture. I disagree with you about 1 Thes. Ch.5. There are other verses that specifically talk about man not knowing the time or hour He will come again. We will know when the time is near though.

  • 2012-03-01T02:26:06

Kimberley Hurst - 1 Thes 5 doesn't refer to a "secret" rapture, it refers to no one knows when Christ will come again.Then of course, chapter 4 speaks of a very public/loud (i.e. not secret) event.

  • 2012-03-01T02:05:01

Grace Kim Kwon I never said I took comfort in just getting away. I know what God wants out of as Christians. "Mature" Christians care about everybody and want everyone to know the love Jesus has for us all. I stand firm in my faith and belief in our Creator and all He has done for us. We are suppose to love others as we love ourselves. God also has different works for different people.

  • 2012-03-01T01:45:39

Kimberley Hurst, We Christians do believe in the Rapture of the Church, but no true Christian adults take comfort in just getting away. Mature Christians work for the liberation of oppressed people in the darkness till the very end, forgetting self. Unless you are jailed or being tortured for faith, you wouldn't care about your own liberation as a Christian; Christians always care about God's glory and salvation of others. Christians are a different species from the rest of mankind on Planet Earth.

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