Christianity.com: What is church discipline and why is it important?-Mark Dever

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  • 2012-05-20T01:23:46

I really do understand where you are coming from. It seems very unnerving to say to a person, "leave this church." If you recall, however, Jesus taught us (during his teaching on discipline within a local body of believers, ya know, that whole: if your brother doesn't repent, bring them two or more with you, and if he still doesn't repent, bring him before the congregation, and if he still doesn't repent, treat him how you would a tax collector or a gentile) Jesus never said "make them leave." He said, "treat them how you would a tax collector or a gentile." The question really becomes, what does that mean? It means treat them like you would an unbeliever. How are we to treat unbelievers? We are to treat them with love, compassion, and we are to present the Gospel to them regularly and persuasively. The big question really is: Would you allow anyone off the street whom you only know as a thief and a liar to come into to your local church, vote on important issues and lead a Bible study? Of course not, because you are not insane! In the same way, if the sinner (we are all that) is unrepentant and refuses to acknowledge a public sin (the Bible is clear about that as well) then we are to assume that person is not genuinely saved and we are to share the Gospel with them, but not allow them to take part in the Lord's Table or lead in any capacity.

  • 2012-02-20T06:26:50

I think this is so wrong. How are you helping the person if they are excommunicated? A ll you've managed to do is make the church look good for "disciplining" it's member. But now what happens to the member? What about them? All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and yet He forgives and grants us salvation. Now you're trying to tell me that you're going to forget all that and excommunicate a person from your congregation because they have sinned? Something you also do on a daily basis? Something you've been forgiven for doing? God has not excommunicated us from His presence though we sin. So why are you excommunicating people from the church? This is so wrong... Discipline was meant as a means of teaching and guiding. Now you're using it as a means of separation :/ What's wrong with people?

  • 2012-02-19T23:38:51

I agree.

  • 2012-02-19T23:38:04

We need to know the word for ourselves and have the Holy Spirit guide you through the scriptures. We have to know God for ourselves or man will be seen as our gatekeeper. Jesus Christ came and gave us the door to him and his gift.

  • 2012-02-19T23:35:50

I agree.

  • 2012-02-19T23:35:13

I concur with your comment.

  • 2012-02-18T01:03:41

That's very true!!!

  • 2012-02-18T01:02:55

True love corrects and disciplines. Indifference, cowardice, stupidity, and laziness leaves everything alone.

  • 2012-02-18T00:13:25

Jesus judges( John 5:30), and He told us His followers to judge what to do and also to judge righteously( Luke 12:57, John 7:24). He told us not to judge by appearance( John 7:24) or petty matters( Matthew 7:1, Luke 6:37). What Apostle Paul wrote in the plenary, verbal inspiration of the Holy Spirit is 100% God's will, just like the words of Jesus are. We are not to pick and choose favorite Scripture verses but to obey God in every matter.

  • 2012-02-18T00:00:32

Betty Layne, it's the words of Jesus Himself that the Church has authority. You need to know the whole Scripture in order to determine correctly whether anything is taken out of context or not - the reason we read and study the Word of God. Read the following verses after what you just quoted.

  • 2012-02-17T15:00:25

PLEASE EVERYONE, DO NOT TAKE MAN OR WOMEN'S WORD BUT SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES, NOT ONE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!! This is Man's doctrine that you are reading, not God's or Jesus word !!God will judge us and not some church that doesn't even use God or Jesus as the name of their church!! I believe that Jesus said, Upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH!!

  • 2012-02-17T12:35:44

This is right on target and because this has NOT taken place in so many places in the Body, we have congregations full of leaven (1 Cor. 5) and there is no longer a pure and holy betrothed Bride to reflect God and the love of Jesus to the world. If the Body looks like the world there is no light and the salt has lost its saltiness. Church discipline is always done in love with the expectation of restoration of an individual to right standing with God and in the Body. Tolerance breeds an acceptance of sin and God will not tolerate that, nor will He compromise; not even for the Bride.

  • 2012-02-17T11:51:01

"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven" but this was only given to the Apostles and their successors.. As Protestantism has little dogma, and even less authority, and itself has been excommunicated, "discipline" just means the person will hop on over to the next "church", or if like the reformers, just find an old 7/11 and start "church".

  • 2012-02-17T06:09:03

Forgiveness has nothing to do with church discipline. Christians forgives all human offenders, of course. We forgive the criminals who violated us but they still need to be jailed. Personal forgiveness and judicial or ecclesiastical justice are two different things.

  • 2012-02-17T06:06:58

Jesus judges( John 5:30), and He told us His followers to judge( Luke 12:57). He told us not to judge by appearance( John 7:24) or petty matters( Matthew 7:1). What Apostle Paul wrote in the plenary, verbal inspiration of the Holy Spirit is 100% God's will, just the words of Jesus are. We are not to pick and choose favorite Scripture verses but to obey God in every matter.

  • 2012-02-17T06:06:45

Jesus judges( John 5:30), and He told us His followers to judge( Luke 12:57). He told us not to judge by appearance( John 7:24) or petty matters( Matthew 7:1). What Apostle Paul wrote in the plenary, verbal inspiration of the Holy Spirit is 100% God's will, just the words of Jesus are. We are not to pick and choose favorite Scripture verses but to obey God in every matter.

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