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First of all, although I understand that term, I've never heard of it before you used it. I don't think it is even accurate for what most protestants believe. There are some very fundamentalist branches who do, but I think they are a small minority.

Most Protestants believe in both the authority of scripture and the ongoing ministry and inspiration of the Holy Spirit into the life of every believer. Properly distingusighing what the Holy Spirit is saying to us takes much skill and practice, however. Therefore, we find it imperative to use the scriptures as a dividing line when deciding what is and what is not from God and the Holy Spirit. We do not believe that God can ever go against His own Word, so the Bible always takes precedant over any historical or current prophetic messages people may receive.

As far as church traditions and teachings of the Popes, I would feel an equal need to evaluate them according to scripture. I fully understand that you feel differently about this. For me, though, there has been far too much corruption in the Catholic Church, particularly in the Middle Ages, for me to accept Catholic tradition or teaching of the Popes without judging them according to scripture. When a tradition or teaching is good and does not go against scripture but rather enlightens it, then I am happy to embrace it.

So to conclude, for me it is not "Scripture only", it is scripture as an ultimate authority to judge the ongoing ministry of the Holy Spirit in the lives of all believers, including Catholics and Popes :)

I believe in the doctrine of Sola Scriptura because experientially, that has been all that I needed. Before I came to Christ, I didn't even know that there was such a thing. I sought God in prayer and I clearly heard Him say to get myself a Bible. As I read it night after night, I came to an understanding of what Salvation was all about and accepted Christ as my Savior. I was totally aware of the presence of God through all of this teaching and explaining Truths to me through the Bible. The presence of God and the Bible are what has been instrumental in my salvation and growth in Christ. I don't really have an objection to Tradition, however I don't believe that following it is a requirement for pleasing God, since I met Him outside the parameters of the Church, be it Catholic or Protestant. There has never been a conviction for me to follow a lot of what Catholics practice, though I seek Him in earnest all the time. What I am convicted and compelled to do is to remain in fellowship with Him and to follow the example that His son has set for us. I don't like to label myself because I feel those labels only add to the division in the Body of Christ.

I totally agree! I had never heard of Sola Scriptura before Godtube. That was very well said.

If God cannot go against His own word, then how do you explain the many contradictions in the Bible?
How exactly do you know what is either good or bad when looking at the Bible?
If Scripture is the Ultimate authority, then how do you explain the thousands of different interpretations?
If the Bible is an essential tool in learning and knowing about God, then how did all of the early Christians for the first four hundred years before the Biblical canon was compiled come to learn and know about God?
If Tradition has remained unchanged prior to the Middle Ages until the present, then what does Church corruption have to do with anything?
If you judge the Church on whatever corruption it may have had in the past, then what does that show about how you judge or forgive others?
If the Church was a corrupt as you implied it to be, then how come the Church still manages to live and thrive to this day?

A lot of your questions in that long string don't even make any sense to me, which I guess just shows how differently we think on this matter. They are all based on Catholic presuppostions, which I do not share. I really don't want to argue. Try not to get worked up about it. I know that when I was younger I would get worked up about things I felt passionately about, but it doesn't really accomplish anything. Truth will always prevail, we don't need to feel threatened. Just be at peace with what you know in your heart to be true. On issues that you are still uncertain about, then just remain open to whatever God may want to show you.

As far as forgiveness and judging the Catholic Church - well I'm not judging and I do forgive. If you have information that the typical history on church corruption is incorrect, I would be very open to hearing about that. I simply don't accept the Catholic Church traditions as authoratative or the word of the Pope as infallible. I never have, and I was not raised to think that way, so there are no hard feelings involved. It's about trust not forgiveness. When asking a Protestant a question, you can't expect us to answer like a Catholic :)

For me, I am very settled in my beliefs and very much at peace with God about them. I love and accept as brothers and sisters in Christ all who acknowledge Christ as Savior. I really don't worry too much about the details beyond that. I felt prompted to answer your questions because I wanted to extend a hand of friendship to a young lady who had been hurt by the hatred and ugliness of other so-called-Christians. I just want you to know that despite our differences I love and accept you and think you have a wonderful heart after God.

Only three of those questions in the strand, are focused on Catholicism; the other three are simply asked out of curiosity since I view both Scripture and Tradition as authoritative. Another thing, it is a common misconception to think that the Pope is fallible...he is simply just a man and sins like all of us...the only time that the pope is infallible, is when he is speaking from ex cathedra [which has only occurred twice in history by one out of 265 popes]. Also, there has as much corruption within protestantism [Salem Witch Trials, KKK, persecution of Catholics in the United States...the list goes on]...you also need to look at the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages and it's stance as a governing power. If you look back at the Middle Ages, you would see that England, France, and Spain all held some form of corruption...Anyone is capable of seeing corruption in anything, even ourselves because we all sin. Now, if you look at the Church today, you would see that it is not a governing power, it is reformed and sound with today's culture....more to come

Well I did not know the part about "ex cathedra." With that explained, corruption really wouldn't be a consideration. Oh, and trust me, I'll be the first to admit there has been just as much corruption in the Protestant church. I never meant to suggest otherwise and apologize if it seemed like I did. Since I don't consider Protestant traditions authoritative either, I didn't think to mention it.

Going back to what you asked originally, I think the truth at the end of the day is that we all believe what we know in our hearts to be true. That's pretty much what "tluvnunity" was saying as well. While I logically use scripture as a basis, I think the human condition is such that we have to get something down in our hearts in order to really believe and understand it. There is much of scripture that is deeply rooted in my heart and other parts I still struggle with. I really don't know enough about church tradition to have a conviction one way or another, but sometimes I discover that something I believed in my heart all along is in line with Catholic Church tradition, and that's a cool discovery to make.

Okay, sorry to do two in a row, but I just had a long conversation with me husband about this. He was raised Catholic and then at some point became "born again." Although he never denounced Catholicism, he stopped attending Catholic church. He will visit, but he considers himself a nondenominational charismatic Christian now. So I asked him the question since it seems to apply more to him.

His answer is that for him, when he followed the Catholic traditions, his mind and his personal faith were not really involved. Growing up in Lebanon he fought in wars defending his faith, and yet he never challenged or questioned why he believed what he believed. One day he discovered that some Protestants didn't consider him a true Christian. He was irrate at first, but then he felt challenged to develope a faith that he really and fully believed in and understood. He began to study the Bible on his own. Eventually he decided to get "born-again" by which I just mean to consciously and purposely commit his life to Christ. He was baptized again as an adult. That's why to him, the Bible holds more weight than tradition. He needed the Bible in order to develop a personal faith that was truly real to him. He now works full time in Christian ministry, and he loves and reaches out to the Muslims he once fought.

He said he has no problem with tradition unless it would contradict the Bible. As far as the very well educated version of what exactly is official tradition and what is not, he doesn't really know enough about it, but there were things that were traditionally done in his Catholic Church that he no longer considers scriptural. He said if the true tradition does not contradict scripture, then all he would say is that he wouldn't recommend following any interpretation blindly, but to think and pray and develop your own faith.

Hey, where are you? You asked some very provocative questions, and they've been rolling around in my head all night, so I guess I'll continue monopolizing for now. I want to go back to how I see scripture. You mentioned the contradictions in the Bible as an assumption, but I don't really share that assumption, so I will attempt to share what I do believe. I could easily write a book on this, so I'll try really hard to be brief and you can ask about anything you would like me to elaborate on.

1) Most Protestants don't see the Bible as a miraculous, perfect relic the way the Muslims see their Koran. A few do. I see it as described in II Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. There may be a few typo's in there, or a few discrepancies in details between the gospels, but when it comes down to truth and how we should believe and how we should live and relate to God, I don't see contradiction - will explain more in point #3. Also, we try to look at the Bible in a historical perspective, understanding the background and the language of the time and possible errors in translation. Most Protestant Pastors study Greek and Hebrew and there are also Greek and Hebrew dictionaries available for this purpose. Finally, we try to understand the genre of each book and see the appropriate differences between history, poetry, letters, prophecy, etc... I know that probably seems like to much for a lay person to handle to you, but we put extensive time and life-long education into this matter.

2) I don't know anything about the Catholic view here, but most Protestants see a big difference between Old and New Testament. With the death and resurrection of Christ came a new covenant with God - a new relationship between God and man. Therefore, if there is a difference between Old and New Testament, we would call this a change, not a contradiction, and follow the New Testament teaching. Most notable in this area are changes from judgement, retribution and violence to grace, mercy and peace. This all makes sense in light of Christ reconciling man to God. Also many, but perhaps not most, Protestants believe that followers of Christ are now imbued with supernatural power through the Holy Ghost and that we now have authority over Satan and the Earth that we did not have before Christ, which also would be a huge difference from the Old Testament.

3) Now to the part that is more my personal belief. Many things that could be seen as contradictions, as see as coexisting truths. I believe God is very vast. I think there are things in God's nature that seem Paradoxical in our limited human, physical minds, but that can exists simultaneously in the spiritual realm. How can God be a God of perfect order and of perfect freedom, a God of perfect justice and of perfect grace. How can salvation be by grace, and by faith, and by works. When I see these things, I see it as an opportunity to expand my limited human understanding and try to see things more from God's unlimited perspective. I also see it as an opportunity to try to find balance between equally important truths. I think many of our doctrinal schisms in Christianity as a whole, occur because we are fighting about the proper balance between two or more coexisting truths.

I believe when we are called the body of Christ it is because it takes many limited humans to bring together the image of a very vast God. That is why I always try to learn from believers of other denominations, to learn which parts of God they discovered that I still may be missing.

If I haven't made it clear before, to me the most important part of being a Christian is coming into right relationship with God and knowing Him as fully as we possibly can, and continually drawing closer throughout our lives.

Sorry for not responding so soon, I had classes and exams to prepare for that were more of a priority.

in your most recent post, you actually noted a lot of ideas which parallel with Catholic teachings pertaining specifically towards scripture. Catholics also take the Bible contextually, and in is not uncommon that many lay Catholics do go as far as studying Greek and Hebrew along with the cultural aspects of the era in which the scripture was written and literary details which you listed. Catholics also do not view the differences between the OT and the NT as contradiction [if fact we do not see contradictions like many secularist view contradictions] but in a way "like a change", but slightly different...Catholics view the NT as a fulfillment of the OT; that with the coming of Christ in the NT is the OT more fully explained...for example, in the scene where Abraham is about to sacrifice his son, Isaac to God, instead of Isaac actually being sacrificed, God provides a goat stuck in a thicket of thorns to be the sacrifice and the seal of the covenant. If you look at the NT, Christ is referred to as the Lamb of God and when He was sacrificed for our sins, he wore a crown of thorns, and thus is a sign of the new covenant. In your third point, you note that "there are things in God's nature that seem Paradoxical in our limited human, physical minds, but that can exists simultaneously in the spiritual realm" and this concept is very vivid in Catholicism. Catholic believe that compared to God's unlimited knowledge, our human minds are very limited, and thus cannot comprehend fully the nature of God. However, that does not give us an excuse to forget about it trying to understand the nature of God, but to grow in our understandings and relationship with God....these attempts at trying to understand the nature of God are called the Mysteries of God because like all mysteries, they need at least be tried at being solved.
I enjoyed your definition of "Born Again" [to consciously and purposely commit one's life to Christ], because it actually reminded me of a couple of traditions within he Church, and the first is the sacrament of Baptism, where usually an infant or a child is dedicated to Christ. When an infant is Baptized, the parents take the responsibility of raising the child to the fullness of the Catholic Christian way of life and they dedicate their child to God in the processes. When a child is baptized [like I was] both the child and the parent take the same responsibilities. Now, the second is as the infant/ child gets older, usually around the age of 14-18, they go through the sacrament of Confirmation, where through the power of the Holy Spirit do they seal that dedication to God and take on full responsibility to the service and committing of oneself to Christ for life...and actually when when most hear the term "born again" they get confused because in a sense they are already "born again"...i am working on a comment in relation to your husband that I am working on but am not quite finished with yet., so stay tuned.....

I think the more true believers of any denomination discuss these type of things, the more we all discover we have more in common than we ever imagined. I absolutely agree about the New Testament being a fulfillment of the Old Testament. You're right, fulfillment is even a better word to use. I believe the exact same thing you do about Abraham and the lamb of God. I do attend Catholic Church occasionally for friends' baptisms, confirmations, etc... and usually I find I am right on board with at least 95% of what they say. I used the term "born-again" in parentheses, because I believe the term has caused division in the past. When I was growing up we were taught that we should evangelize the Catholics and get them born-again. Imagine my surprise when my Catholic friend told me she prayed the prayer of salvation every week, but if I'd like her to say it with me again she'd be happy too :)

On the other hand, most Catholics where I grew up near Pittsburgh were not true believing Catholics, they were just Catholic by name and ethnicity, so that was totally different. I find that usually the Catholics that I really like and grow close to believe a theology almost identical to what I believe once we dig past the surface differences.

That brings us all the way back to the original issue again. I don't think most Protestants do believe a doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" as you probably imagined. Yes, there are Protestants our there who are very legalistic and narrow-minded and even hateful. Hopefully we'll still see them in Heaven, but they certainly don't represent the majority view.

I agree, it is surprising sometimes to realize how much Catholics and Protestants do have in common, lol!...the reason I asked the question about Sola Scriptura, is because I have encountered quite a few who do follow sola scriptura, and I figured that rather than make assumptions to the doctrine, I'd ask the protestants [who believe in sola scriptura] why they do....I guess I should have specified that question more....

Kate, I'm really glad that you posted this blog and am happy to see the direction it is going. I agree with what you both have been saying. Before I came to Christ, I was a Jehovah's Witness as you may have read. To me, anyone who attended Church or called themselves Christian was all lumped together as one as far as I was concerned. It was not until I joined Godtube that I saw such division which actually hurt me, because I always felt we were one Protestants and Catholics. We are united by our faith in Christ. A lot of the bickering that's going on reminds me of what Paul was always writing to the different congregations about. Different worship styles, different diets, yada yada. They are very small and unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

Was thinking more of your point that you probably should have been more specific about the question. I looked up the history of the term "sola scriptura" I do remember learning it in history class now that my memory's been jogged. I knew basically, it was a Protestant belief. I think it just depends on how literally you take the term. If I remember correctly, I don't think even Martin Luther himself took it as literally as some modern day fundamentalists. I think Luther was more reacting to the lack of scriptural basis to many practices in the church of his day. Again, it is that balancing of two important truths.

I don't strongly align myself with any particular denomination, but I guess since I'm not Catholic or Orthodox, I figured that qualifies me as a Protestant. Funny thing is, according to my Lebanese I.D. card, I'm Greek Catholic. Actually, I will take the Eucharist at Catholic church there since they seem to think marrying into a Catholic family makes me and my children Catholic. I usually don't take communion at Catholic churches here because I don't want to offend anyone.

First off, If you ask a question indirectly to dazingfool you ask it to all of us.

"If God cannot go against His own word, then how do you explain the many contradictions in the Bible?"

To start a debate, or just answered questions. Point the contradictions which you see in the Bible, one by one them out to me. Or post them on here. to everyone. God never goes against His own Word. I'll answer the other questions if you provide a sufficient answer.

Sorry for the delay....

Hm.....where should I start.....

Why in Genesis 1 are man and woman created equal, but in Genesis 2 Eve is created subordinate to Adam?

According to tradition, Moses is the author of the Pentateuch, but how could he write of his own death at the end of the book of Deuteronomy? Also, what is with the phrase, "to this day" placed throughout Deuteronomy...what does that say about the timing of when the text was written?

"Let us make man in our own image..."---Why did God speak in the plural? [Gen 1: 26]

Gen 4: 14 . "...I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and anyone who meets me may kill me"....so thus far is Adam Eve, and well, Abel is dead, so who are these people that would kill Cain?

Ur of Chaldea....."of Chaldea" came much later than Abram......

well, for now this is all that i have time for....

I am in the process of receiving the Response. To of course write to you.

I like this because my Father Paul,
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"
Today is Shabbat or Sabbath. From Friday eve to Saturday Sundown.

I like this because my Father Paul,
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,"
Today is Shabbat or Sabbath. From Friday eve to Saturday Sundown. It's sun is going down, so it's almost over.

You are going to have to look for your questions within my answer because I put everything together.

Bere'sheet bara Elohim et Ha SHAMAY'IM v'et Ha Eretz
In the beginning (CREATED) the GODS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.
Bere'sheet bara Elohim et Ha SHAMAY'IM v'et Ha Eretz.
That is how Genesis 1 Beresheet Aleph is Translated into English Word for Word.
That's without specific Translation or Input of Any Bible, Just what the Hebrew means. Elohim means GODS. Elohim is a plural word.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel, The LORD our God, The LORD is ONE.
Shema Yisrael, Adonai Eloheynu, Adonai Echad.
Or what everyone says.
Hear, O Israel, The LORDS are God, THE LORDS are ONE.
At One GOd STatus.
Adonai is Plural.
Adonai is plural and Elohim is plural.
So if God confirms it?
So there is a Plurality within Yahweh.
Echad is "many in one, and One"
As Yahweh God says in Isaiah 6.
Who shall go for us? He is talking to someone at His Status. A God that is apart of HIM.
Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here [am] I; send me.

Isaiah 6 in the KJV. IN that year that King Uz-zi'-ah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each

one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, [is] the LORD

of hosts: the whole earth [is] full of his glory. Isa 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Then said I, Woe [is] me!

for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
¶ Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, [which] he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
Isa 6:7 And he laid [it] upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Isa 6:8 ¶ Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here [am] I; send me.
Isa 6:9 ¶ And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart,

and convert, and be healed.
Isa 6:11 ¶ Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
Isa 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and [there be] a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
Isa 6:13 But yet in it [shall be] a tenth, and [it] shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance [is] in them, when they cast [their leaves: so] the holy

seed [shall be] the substance thereof.


The Temple here on Earth, which God gave commandment how it should be built, is exactly like the ONE in Heaven.
There is no Blindness on Them anymore.
And the Remnant Come Back.
Then the eyes of the Jewish People will be opened.
Elohim is translated into God 2346 times.

Genesis 2. Adam is Created with qualities needing help. while that is never said, Adam needs a helper. More along the lines of Babysitter. The word erez is used reserved only for

God's relationship with Adam. While in no way is God making or make a slave or servant for Adam. A help, and God's relationship with Adam has one (mankind 'Adam') to help us

someone of Bigger Qualities, helping someone of lesser qualities, perfect complement even in a female-male, boistorous sense, a help to Adam. Man and Woman have the Same

Designer, Same intelligence of different varieties, Completely Perfect (Female Woman and Adam) A helper designed for Adam, which means Adam needs help in different ways,

not in any way sinning or sinful help, or qualities, if Adam was pushy, and needed to be reminded to be quiet, than Eve was designed quiet. Just as God has all of our helps we need

Him and He likes us and helps us. Adam's is kind of beneath us in some ways. not Spiritual. But Carnal Flesh. Which is a great reason to why Dating sites which focus on

Compatibility are so successful.

It is an opening of the understanding when we realize with pain that God then gives us (Females) to dominion by Adam, the man with whom we were to help, is our dominion.
It is no shock that women know that we are smarter, cooler than men. Yet that pain when we realize that Adam, in a husband/wife scenario has dominion over us.

Deu 26:18 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that [thou] shouldest keep all his commandments;

Teshuwqah it's used in Genesis 3:16 where The LORD GOD curses women with dominion by their Husbands.

1) desire, longing, craving

a) of man for woman

b) of woman for man

It is a friendship of sorts, equally. men and women were cursed, yet women would have a longing and craving for Adam's companionship, Adam meaning man in Hebrew. Not

temptation, but longing for specifically Man's Companionship.

Kasdiy is the name translated in the KJV as Chaldees. Kasdiy is used "really correctly, yet translation of the which is correct, very flawed, in the sense as the word Kasdiy have been

Translated to the Babylon at the Time. Babylonia or Shinar. Which issues that the KJV is right on the nose for being translated after Chaldea existed. Shinar. incorrectly understood"

for Ancient Where Shinar is called Babel.

Ezekiel 23:15 Girded 02289 with girdles 0232 upon their loins 04975, exceeding 05628 in dyed attire 02871 upon their heads 07218, all of them princes 07991 to look to 04758, after the

manner 01823 of the Babylonians 01121 0894 of Chaldea 03778, the land 0776 of their nativity 04138:

Jeremiyah 51:24 And I will render 07999 unto Babylon 0894 and to all the inhabitants 03427 of Chaldea 03778 all their evil 07451 that they have done 06213 in Zion 06726 in your sight

05869, saith 05002 the LORD 03068.

Here's one that happened before Nimrod.
Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the

face of all the earth.
This is seriously one of my favorites...
Shinar = "country of two rivers"

1) the ancient name for the territory later known as Babylonia or Chaldea

Babylonia Babel or Babylon = "confusion (by mixing)"

1) Babel or Babylon, the ancient site and/or capital of Babylonia (modern Hillah) situated on the Euphrates

Chaldea Kasdiy Depends on the translation where Kasdiy means Southern Babylon as Chaldea was not there yet. So your translation is off there.
1) a territory in lower Mesopotamia bordering on the Persian Gulf (n pr m)

2) the inhabitants of Chaldea, living on the lower Euphrates and Tigris

3) those persons considered the wisest in the land (by extension)

They picked the most famous landmark people to demonstrate the time. People. Location. SUch.
Babylon was the same as Shinar The Ancient Name of the land where Babylon and Chaldea were, was Shinar and is still used after Other names have been there and Shinar is still

used to write description of The Land of the Babylonians.

Dan 1:1 ¶ In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.


Dan 1:2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and

he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.

"Recent discoveries, more especially in Babylonia, have thrown much light on the history of the Hebrew patriarchs, and have illustrated or confirmed the Biblical narrative in many

points. The ancestor of the Hebrew people, Abram, was, we are told, born at "Ur of the Chaldees." "Chaldees" is a mistranslation of the Hebrew _Kasdim_, Kasdim being the Old

Testament name of the Babylonians, while the Chaldees were a tribe who lived on the shores of the Persian Gulf, and did not become a part of the Babylonian population till the time

of Hezekiah. Ur was one of the oldest and most famous of the Babylonian cities. Its site is now called Mugheir, or Mugayyar, on the western bank of the Euphrates, in Southern

Babylonia. About a century before the birth of Abram it was ruled by a powerful dynasty of kings. Their conquests extended to Elam on the one side, and to the Lebanon on the

other. They were followed by a dynasty of princes whose capital was Babylon, and who seem to have been of South Arabian origin. The founder of the dynasty was Sumu-abi

("Shem is my father"). But soon afterwards Babylonia fell under Elamite dominion. The kings of Babylon were compelled to acknowledge the supremacy of Elam, and a rival kingdom

to that of Babylon, and governed by Elamites, sprang up at Larsa, not far from Ur, but on the opposite bank of the river. In the time of Abram the king of Larsa was Eri-Aku, the son of

an Elamite prince, and Eri-Aku, as has long been recognized, is the Biblical "Arioch king of Ellasar" (Gen 14:1). The contemporaneous king of Babylon in the north, in the country

termed Shinar in Scripture, was Khammu-rabi. (See BABYLON; ABRAHAM; AMRAPHEL.)" Blue Letter Bible.
Cite This Page:

Easton, M. G. "Chaldea," Easton's Bible Dictionary. Blue Letter Bible. 1897. 1 Apr 2007. 29 Mar 2008.


"Maybe God likes answering your questions because I'll be back, if the LORD and LORD wills, to answer you. I'll prove you otherwise. that's what you asked for right?
"I would like you to prove me otherwise, because I have yet to see how Catholics are not BORN AGAIN. " Of course that was directed to Knight777. But it was about The LORD's Bible,

you can try to see if I'll be back.
This is on my page too. I have to go do my dishes."

Gotten completely by scripture. THe Man on the Side of Jesus, died without Being Baptized, because Baptism isn't important for Salvation, which really makes you born again.
Yet Baptism is part of The Profession or Confession of "Being A Christian" Outer Baptism or John's Baptism was used to make people ready to repent, or with people who had

already repented to God.
Jesus' Baptism is more important and the only Baptism which can make you saved, or Born Again. Jesus Baptizes with the Holy Spirit. and Then you go through the Jesus Baptism,

which means you proffessed Jesus Christ as the one who gave you the "Inner cleaning" with His HOLY SPIRIT. Then That's professing.
Jews who Believe in the Messiah Jesus, are different because they relate the Purifying Bath to cleanse of Uncleanness "Ha Mikvah" To "The Baptism" or to Immerse as that is what

the Greek WORD "Baptizo"
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)

2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

3) to overwhelm

"Baptizo" means. "Baptizo" is the only word in the New Testament used for Baptize.THE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG, with CATHOLICISM which isn't your fault. IS THAT ATONEMENT is

made with SPRINKLING. SO TO SPRINKLE AN INFANT SEEMS TO WHICH I AGREE WITH that it is inhumane to immerse an infant. That's why it's a grown up desicion. To wait until that

Grown Person, has already repented to even try it immersion. That's why people Which means again that Catholic infant Baptisms are of no effect because they deal nothing with

Baptisms. They are more of John's Baptism. To get people ready to repent. Which prepares the heart for Jesus. The One who would Purify and Purifies with the Holy Spirit.
2Ch 30:16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, [which they received] of the hand of the

Levites.

Mar 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mar 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

With Strongs Concordance Numbers in case you want to look up the Words.

Mar 1:4 John 2491 did 1096 baptize 907 in 1722 the wilderness 2048, and 2532 preach 2784 the baptism 908 of repentance 3341 for 1519 the remission 859 of sins 266.

Mar 1:5 And 2532 there went out 1607 unto 4314 him 846 all 3956 the land 5561 of Judaea 2449, and 2532 they of Jerusalem 2415, and 2532 were 907 0 all 3956 baptized 907 of 5259 him

846 in 1722 the river 4215 of Jordan 2446, confessing 1843 their 846 sins 266.

Mar 1:7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

relying on The Name Of Jesus Christ, i.e reposing one's Hope on Him. Acts 2:38
Oy this is good because It is used in Matthew 3:6, Matthew 3:11, Matthew 3:13, Matthew 3:14, Matthew 3:16, Matthew 20: 22, Matthew 20:23, Matthew 28:19, Mark 1:4, Mark 1:5, Mark 1:8

Mark 1:9 Mark 6:14 for John the Baptist. Mark 7:4, Mark 10:38, Mark 10:39, Mark 16:16 is important. Those are Strong's Numbers for the Strong's Concordance available online or in

Book.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth 4100 and 2532 is baptized 907 shall be saved 4982 ; but 1161 he that believeth not 569 shall be %$##ed 2632 .
Jesus using "Repent"
Mat 11:20 Then 5119 began he 756 to upbraid 3679 the cities 4172 wherein 1722 3739 most 4118 of his 846 mighty works 1411 were done 1096 , because 3754 they repented 3340 not

3756:
Mar 1:14 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mar 1:21 ¶ And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.
Mar 1:22 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.

Luke 3:7 Luke 3:12 Luke 3:16 Luke 3:21

Luk 7:26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

Luk 7:27 This is [he], of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Luk 7:29 And all the people that heard [him], and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

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Luk 23:15 No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.

Luk 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

Luk 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

One of the times which Moses is commanded to write down the Words of The LORD God.
Continues next.

As far as throughout the Book of Deuteronomy up to the part I saw of the which now I'm going to double check, but the part of The Torah I did see, and the KJV, the phrase "to this day" never occured once.

One of the times which Moses is commanded to write down the Words of The LORD God. TORAH WAS NOT BY TRADITION GIVEN by MOSES, but really by Law. So that is were wrong.
Exodus 34:27
And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

The Law of Moses is not given by Tradition The rest of the Old Testament/TaNaKh is in coordination that Moses wrote The TORAH, as a Command of God.
2Chronicles 33:8 Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have

commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.
2Chronicles 34:14 And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD [given] by Moses.
2Chronicles 35:6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that [they] may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.

Dan 9:13 As [it is] written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and
understand thy truth.

Scripture
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the statutes and judgments.

Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Jesus Attested that Moses, not by tradition, but by Him Knowing, wrote the Torah or the Law of God given to Moses.
Mat 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I [am] the God of Abraham, and the God of

Isaac, and the God of Jacob?


The Sadducees
Mark 12:18 ¶ Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,
Mar 12:19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave [his] wife [behind him], and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

Jesus answers them in His Answer a few verses next.
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I [am] the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Luk 5:14 And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

Torah Law of God given to Moses' hand.

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luk 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
After Jesus rose from the dead, Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses,

and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jhn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
When talking about the Law, the Torah.
Jhn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Jhn 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Jhn 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Jhn 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the
sabbath day?

The men bringing the woman caught in Adultery.
Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
The Apostles giving report that Moses' hand wrote the Torah. Law of God's Word and Action Promise so much. Doing..
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
observed the Torah.
Luk 2:22 ¶ And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present [him] to the Lord;
Luk 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

Luk 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Strong's Concordance Numbers for study. Greek New Testament, that The Torah is the Law of The LORD.
Luk 2:23 (As 2531 it is written 1125 in 1722 the law 3551 of the Lord 2962, 3754 Every 3956 male 730 that openeth 1272 the womb 3388 shall be called 2564 holy 40 to the Lord 2962;)


Deu 33:1 ¶ And this [is] the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.

Deu 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them.

Deu 33:3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints [are] in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; [every one] shall receive of thy words.


Act 6:4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

When Speaking Against Stephen.

Act 6:11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and [against] God.
Act 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon [him], and caught him, and brought [him] to the council,
Act 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

Moses said because He was a Prophet and did in fact write of His own death- After this section of Scripture.
Deu 4:5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

Deu 4:6 Keep therefore and do [them]; for this [is] your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great
nation [is] a wise and understanding people.


Deu 4:7 For what nation [is there so] great, who [hath] God [so] nigh unto them, as the LORD our God [is] in all [things that] we call upon him [for]?


Deu 4:8 And what nation [is there so] great, that hath statutes and judgments [so] righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

Deu 4:9 ¶ Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
Deu 4:10 [Specially] the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my
words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and [that] they may teach their children.
Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
Deu 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only [ye heard] a voice.
Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
Deu 4:15 ¶ Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day [that] the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:

Deu 4:16 Lest ye corrupt [yourselves], and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
Deu 4:17 The likeness of any beast that [is] on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
Deu 4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship
them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Deu 4:20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, [even] out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as [ye are] this day.
Deu 4:21 Furthermore the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, and sware that I should not go over Jordan, and that I should not go in unto that good land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance:

Deu 4:22 But I must die in this land, I must not go over Jordan: but ye shall go over, and possess that good land.
Deu 4:23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, [or] the likeness of any [thing],
which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.

Deu 4:24 For the LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire, [even] a jealous God.


Deu 4:25 ¶ When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt [yourselves], and make a graven image, [or] the likeness of any [thing], and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:

Deu 4:26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong

[your] days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.


Deu 4:27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.


Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.


Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find [him], if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.


Deu 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, [even] in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;


Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee,
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Moses is a Prophet. Here is Scripture saying that. A Prophet able to write of his own death.
STRONGS numba's to KJV usage of the Hebrew Words.

Lev 26:46 These [are] the statutes 02706 and judgments 04941 and laws 08451, which the LORD 03068 made 05414 between him and the children 01121 of Israel 03478 in mount 02022 Sinai 05514 by the hand 03027 of Moses 04872.

Deu 17:11 According to the sentence 06310 of the law 08451 which they shall teach 03384 thee, and according to the judgment 04941 which they shall tell 0559 thee, thou shalt do 06213 : thou shalt not decline 05493 from the sentence 01697 which they shall shew 05046 thee, [to] the right hand 03225, nor [to] the left 08040.

Another one

Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe 08104 to do 06213 all the words 01697 of this law 08451 that are written 03789 in this book 05612, that thou mayest fear 03372 this glorious 03513 and fearful 03372 name 08034, THE LORD 03068 THY GOD 0430;
Here The Word is.

Deu 4:44 And this [is] the law 08451 which Moses 04872 set 07760 before 06440 the children 01121 of Israel 03478:
Deu 17:11 According to the sentence 06310 of the law 08451 which they shall teach 03384 thee, and according to the judgment 04941 which they shall tell 0559 thee, thou shalt do 06213 : thou shalt not decline 05493 from the sentence 01697 which they shall shew 05046 thee, [to] the right hand 03225, nor [to] the left 08040.
Deu 17:18 And it shall be, when he sitteth 03427 upon the throne 03678 of his kingdom 04467, that he shall write 03789 him a copy 04932 of this law 08451 in a book 05612 out of [that which is] before 06440 the priests 03548 the Levites 03881:
Deu 17:19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read 07121 therein all the days 03117 of his life 02416: that he may learn 03925 to fear 03372 the LORD 03068 his God 0430, to keep 08104 all the words 01697 of this law 08451 and these statutes 02706, to do 06213 them:
Deu 27:3 And thou shalt write 03789 upon them all the words 01697 of this law 08451, when thou art passed over 05674 , that thou mayest go in 0935 unto the land 0776 which the LORD 03068 thy God 0430 giveth 05414 thee, a land 0776 that floweth 02100 with milk 02461 and honey 01706; as the LORD 03068 God 0430 of thy fathers 01 hath promised 01696 thee.
Deu 27:8 And thou shalt write 03789 upon the stones 068 all the words 01697 of this law 08451 very 03190 plainly 0874 .
Deu 4:44 And this [is] the law 08451 which Moses 04872 set 07760 before 06440 the children 01121 of Israel 03478:
Deu 17:11 According to the sentence 06310 of the law 08451 which they shall teach 03384 thee, and according to the judgment 04941 which they shall tell 0559 thee, thou shalt do 06213 : thou shalt not decline 05493 from the sentence 01697 which they shall shew 05046 thee, [to] the right hand 03225, nor [to] the left 08040.
Deu 17:18 And it shall be, when he sitteth 03427 upon the throne 03678 of his kingdom 04467, that he shall write 03789 him a copy 04932 of this law 08451 in a book 05612 out of [that which is] before 06440 the priests 03548 the Levites 03881:
Deu 17:19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read 07121 therein all the days 03117 of his life 02416: that he may learn 03925 to fear 03372 the LORD 03068 his God 0430, to keep 08104 all the words 01697 of this law 08451 and these statutes 02706, to do 06213 them:
Deu 27:3 And thou shalt write 03789 upon them all the words 01697 of this law 08451, when thou art passed over 05674 , that thou mayest go in 0935 unto the land 0776 which the LORD 03068 thy God 0430 giveth 05414 thee, a land 0776 that floweth 02100 with milk 02461 and honey 01706; as the LORD 03068 God 0430 of thy fathers 01 hath promised 01696 thee.
Deu 27:8 And thou shalt write 03789 upon the stones 068 all the words 01697 of this law 08451 very 03190 plainly 0874 .
Deu 31:9 And Moses 04872 wrote 03789 this law 08451, and delivered 05414 it unto the priests 03548 the sons 01121 of Levi 03878, which bare 05375 the ark 0727 of the covenant 01285 of the LORD 03068, and unto all the elders 02205 of Israel 03478.

Recognizing the finishing of the Law, and the death of Moses.

Deu 31:22 ¶ Moses therefore wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.
Deu 31:23 And he gave Joshua the son of Nun a charge, and said, Be strong and of a good courage: for thou shalt bring the children of Israel into the land which I sware unto them: and I will be with thee.
This is the Good Word which would prove you.
Deu 31:24 ¶ And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Deu 31:27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

Recording Heaven and Earth.

Deu 31:28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

Death again.
Deu 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Deu 31:30 ¶ And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended.

the LORD telling Moses of his death.

Deu 32:48 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
Deu 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, [unto] mount Nebo, which [is] in the land of Moab, that [is] over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
Deu 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before [thee]; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.
Moses was a Prophet so He did write of his own death. Truthfully. Deuteronomy 34:10
Deu 34:1 ¶ And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that [is] over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
Deu 34:2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
Deu 34:3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
Deu 34:4 And the LORD said unto him, This [is] the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see [it] with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
Deu 34:9 ¶ And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Deu 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
Deu 34:11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,
Deu 34:12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.



A good verse.

2Cr 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, [I] the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.
Num 12:7 My servant Moses [is] not so, who [is] faithful in all mine house.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

There's actually a space before the words (Now the man 0376 Moses 04872 [was] very 03966 meek 06035 06035, above all the men 0120 which [were] upon the face 06440 of the earth 0127.) NUMBERS 12:3

Which means that Moses paused before he wrote it. A Word for Word giving of the Law to Moses.

As far as throughout the Book of Deuteronomy up to the part I saw of the which now I'm going to double check, but the part of The Torah I did see, and the KJV, the phrase "to this day" never occured once.

As far as the outside of Moses Inspiration. The only time that they did it. Outside of God's choosing.

Num 12:2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard [it].

Num 12:1 ¶ And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.


Num 12:2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard [it].


Num 12:3 (Now the man Moses [was] very meek, above all the men which [were] upon the face of the earth.)


Num 12:4 And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.


Num 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood [in] the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.


Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, [I] the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.


Num 12:7 My servant Moses [is] not so, who [is] faithful in all mine house.


Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?


Num 12:9 ¶ And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.


Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam [became] leprous, [white] as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, [she was] leprous.


Num 12:11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.


Num 12:12 Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb.


Num 12:13 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.


Num 12:14 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in [again].


Num 12:15 And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in [again].


Num 12:16 And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the wilderness of Paran.
That's all for now. God Bless.

Does Jesus drink that which is offered to him on the cross? (Mk.15:23, Mt.27:34, Jn.19:30)

Was the stone still in front of the tomb when the first witnesses arrived (Mt.28:2) or was it already rolled back (Mk.16:4; Lk.24:2; Jn.20:1)?

What color was the robe placed on Jesus? Scarlet (Mt 27:28) or purple (Mk.15:17; Jn.19:2)?

I'll be answering you tommorow.

Just to clarify: I'm not offering these examples to in order to claim that God somehow contradicts himself. Rather, I want to show that a literalist reading, which so often considers Scripture to be a exact journalistic account of events, has a number of problems. I think a better way to approach the Bible is to recognize that it is NOT in the genre of journalism, history text, or scientific treatise. Rather, it is a collection of works from a number of different genres written by human authors with their own intentions, united by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and the common goal of bringing its readers/hearers closer to God. A literalist reading (which so often accompanies a sola scriptura mentality, for with sola scriptura there is no other authority!) of the Bible fails to respect this diversity (genres, authors, intentions) and ignores the inconsistencies which naturally arise in such a collection. All one has to do is pick up a synopsis or engage in a bit of historical-critical or source-critical study of Scripture to observe the shortcomings of a literalist hermeneutic. Inerrancy doesn't necessarily mean journalistic, historical, or scientific precision.

That was weird I posted a comment yesterday and It's deleted.

Bomber, the same thing happened to me (three times, actually: twice on this blog and once on my own GT blog) within the past two days. So frustrating!!! I've just been saving all of my comments so I can repost if they're lost....

For those who does not agree with the Catholic Church I suggest you go especially Protestant brothers and sisters to go to The Journey Home website to read Former Protestants stories of their conversion. Many of them are former Pastors who know more about the bible than we the follower. Here is the link http://www.chnetwork.org/converts.htm. Give it some thought. Their stories may show you the truth and the truth will set you free. As a Catholic myself I could not believe how many times I take my faith for granted and these beautiful people went through a great deal in studying, comparing facts and fiction to find the truth. They found such emptiness, something missing in their Church and I do believe Holy Spirit that moves them to seek the truth and the truth God shows them.

I have not had the time to accurately examine this blog, and have just looked at the most recent posts, and I most say that bpeters1 has a very accurate answer to the "contradictions of the Bible"...when I initially posed the question it was not in attempt to demote the Divinity of God but rather emphasize that the Bible in not a history book, but rather it is a conglomeration of many books of various literary styles during the time period of the Ancient Near East...thus, the Bible should not be taken literally but contextually.....oh, any the Journey Home program is amazing, I love it!

Well, now you met someone with a different view.