Well, I say 2000 years of study because the first Catholics knew the apostles personally. They studied the bible then, and future generations of Catholics continued to study the bible to this day. There are plenty of other people that know about the bible, but all too many people claim to "know" the bible well when all they've done is read it rather than study it. Many let their beliefs about the bible influence the way they interpret it. This is not conducive to learning what the bible really says. And, Lutherans aside, this is, IMO, the reason that all major denominations broke off of Catholicism. The original language translations are accurate because they are themselves nearly 2000 years old. It is speculated that there exists earlier documents that were written in Aramaic rather than Greek or Hebrew, but no one has them yet. So, the Greek/Hebrew is the best we can get for now. As for saying anything that you read is flawed, I must apologize a bit. ANY translation is flawed. The one I read is flawed as well. Some English translations are worse than others. In the end, it all comes down to who has the most experience to back themselves up(not between you and me). As I said, I used to be an atheist, and when I found God again, I had not selected a denomination as of yet. So, I went about looking around for the one that looked most likely to be right. Catholicism has the most solid theology and the longest track record of bible study, so it seemed the logical choice to me, and I'm now closer to God than I could have ever imagined.
In response to your comment: I have a spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ BECAUSE I'm Catholic. I'd likely still be an atheist otherwise. We've got two thousand years of bible study to stand on. How long have you been around? And have you been able to study the bible in its original languages, or must you rely on an undoubtedly flawed translation? Also - your Psalms quote is completely unrelated to the issue. The Acts quote is taken horribly out of context. Proof texting is bad...: You seem like you have a lot of arrogance placed in the "two thousand years of study" and that you're trying to play it off like nobody else knows about the Bible but you. Like when you said "how long have you been able to study the Bible..." How do you know your original language translations are correct? Why do act like anything I read is an "undoubtedly flawed translation?"
well, the whole statue thing, well I see it as kind of pagan. Becuase many pagan cultures have statues to represent who they are praying to and some pray to the statue and some pray to what the statue represents. And as you probably know, God didn'twant his people to worship in anyway that resembled the worship of pagans, so it would seem to me that praying to a saint in the presence of their image is mimicing pagan rituals and it is pushing the boundary on idolatry.
To me whatever floats your boat, but I don't think that I would feel right doig that.Because I think that you can just pray to God and ask him to make you a better man because all good things come from God. But I can see where yo are coming from. It's kind of like "prayer request" simply just asking someone to pray for you during rough times. So I can efinitely see where you're coming from but I just think a lot of people (including me) kind of get the wrong impression when someone says they are praying TO a saint. But one thing I don'tagree with or can be open minded about is praying to a saint while you have a replica of there image (such as a statue or painting) in front of you. many of the original cathoics like from the Western Roman Empire, would do this and I see this as idolatry.
Well you already responded to my comment on the Cathiolic Video but I just wanted to know why you don't see praying to saints as wrong. Because I mean, I pray to God if I need help or if I want to thank him. Because you can go directly to God I don't think there is any need to pray to saints. I don't know if I really understand, but what exactly do you pray to saints....like what exactly do you say to them?
Here's hoping this gets to you. I'm not exactly sure what the "reply to comment" option specifically does. Anyways, perhaps you could specify a little bit? Do you mean specifically prayer to saints? or all of it jumbled together? Also - thank you for asking nicely! All to much do people make accusations in a spiteful sounding way. I always thought it wasn't hard to ask nicely, so it's really frustrating when so many people don't, and it makes me(and many others) less receptive to what they have to say too. So, it is very refreshing to get a polite inquiry. :)
hey, as I do believe that you are a fellow brother in Christ I would just like to discuss with you your take on the whole "praying to saints" thing that you talked about in that Catholic video. Even though I do not agree with you, I would still like to hear your stance on it
pain$!@!red113 - why did you change the status of "advocate"? In the verse you provided, it says "AN advocate". You say "SOLE advocate". Those are two very different phrases.
camanado - Constantine lived in the 300's AD. Ignatious of Antioch referred to the Catholic church BY NAME in 110 AD and made it obvious in his writing that it has already existed for some time. You can hardly call it created by Constantine over 200 years later.
As for Catholics hating on you, I assure you that is not the norm. They most want you to go to mass because it is considered the pinnacle of Catholic worship - the single most important and powerful way to worship God. If they could get you to do only one thing, it would make perfect sense for it to be that.
And actually, true Christians DON'T boast about their faith. That's pharisee talk. Don't you remember the command to not be boastful and the other one to worship behind closed doors and not to brag about it?
wait...are we being rick-rolled, or is this just a genuine video? Either way, fairly cool, though I see this scene with beaker used for a lot of songs.
*************diddl2007************** - Break the verse down. There are four separate actions there - making images, making groves, worshiping all the hosts of heaven, and serving Baal. Each one can be done with or without the other three. Which one or ones is the sin, here? Also, read my comment for the next reader too. It should be helpful as well. *****************orin33***************** - keep in mind that during Jesus's time, there wasn't anyone else in heaven! They were in a separate place. It was paradise, but it was not heaven. They didn't pray to anyone else simply because there wasn't anyone else available.
***GuerreroDeChristo639*** - while I may or may not agree with you about glory being reserved for God alone, I do not believe asking a saint for help(for that is all prayer is) gives them glory. As for honor - NO it's NOT for God alone. Did you forget the commandments? We are commanded to honor our father and mother, showing conclusively that honor is not for God alone. ***diddl2007*** - necromancy is raising the dead, not talking to them. But even if it were simply talking to them, so what? Prayer to saints is not talking to dead people. They are in heaven, where they have eternal LIFE, remember? You said so yourself that Mary was alive. If she's alive, how is it even remotely possible that speaking to her is speaking to someone who is dead? You just plain didn't answer my question. Nor did you type clearly and concisely. This autoformatting is part of the problem, though.
diddl2007 - which commandment forbids prayer to Mary and the saints? Keep in mind I am asking about PRAYER, which is entirely separate from worship. The word pray means only \"ask\". Shakespeare used it that way, and the courts of law(at least in the U.S.) still use it that way to this very day. I\'ve heard every word in the bible, and I\'ve never heard anything about prayer being reserved for God alone. Worship, yes. Prayer, no.
14 Kilometers is just shy of 8.7 miles.\nAt 9 miles, the temperature is still only about 300 degrees, according to the world record drilling begun in Russia in \'94 (which is still ongoing).\n\nNot only is 2000 degrees a ridiculously high number when you accept the already known facts, but it would also have incinerated any microphone, no matter how \"special\" it is.\n\nSo, no, this is not real. It is quite fake. If it is satire, no problem. If they are claiming this as truth, then it is bearing false witness - a lie and a sin.
So I've been inactive on Godtube for months - until the very day after you sent me the message about this video. A sign from God? heh.
First step, unfortunately, is to get a different song. Many people will cease to watch this the INSTANT they hear the words "ave maria". It stinks, but there's nothing you can do about it. Also, if possible, make your bible quotes from the KJV. The KJV onlies won't listen otherwise. (if it IS kjv already, ignore this. I can't tell.)
About the word prayer - if you don't mind adding it - in the court of law in the U.S., the word "pray" is still used to this very day as "ask". An example is: "plaintiff prays judgment against the defendants for actual damages".
For the grace section, something explaining how the sacraments are not works is absolutely needed.
Graven images - this is not enough here unfortunately. To them, a graven image is anything that is carved, whether worshiped or not. I'm not sure there's anything you can do about it though, unless you're willing to delve into the Greek.
Baptism - I would mention that it is the new Circumcision, which was done to infants.
Lastly, I'd put the disclaimer you had at the end at the beginning instead.
I know this is a lot, but some of the vehemently anti-Catholic out there will accept nothing less than absolute perfection, so I am being extra critical. Hope this helps.
EmJay101 - the Greek(?) that the bible was originally written in specifies SALVATIONAL mediation. i.e. Jesus is the only salvational mediator between us and God, which of course means that only th@@%# Jesus can we be saved. However, other kinds of mediators are still a possibility.
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